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angora831:
  For a while now I have been re-reading previous threads in the Forum, mainly to get more information on the genetics of certain traits and colors.  In a thread on the lavender color a couple of years ago, there was a comment made that there were presently no brown varieties based on the E-locus gene.  The person went on to say that if he were to create one it would be partridge.  This stuck a cord with me because I had been looking for more information on a blue partridge Ameraucana that I had seen offered on an egg auction site.
  I would like to attempt to work on this Partridge Ameraucana project and it was suggested that I post my questions on the Forum to see what response and ideas that I get.  I have found only four breeds that have the partridge variety.  Chantecler, Cochin, Plymouth Rock, and Wyandotte.  All of these would bring light brown egg color, yellow legs, and different combs to a cross with a quality black Ameraucana.
Knowing that this is a long term project, I wanted to get as much information and/or suggestions from the Forum.  I know that there are super genetics people out there as well as breeders that have been around Ameraucanas from day 1.  What are the pros and cons of this idea as you see it?

Thanks in advance
Ken

Guest:
Ken, it would be a very long term project involving raising hundreds culls.  But if you have the time and commitment, go for it.   Of the breeds mentioned, partridge plymouth rock is probably the closest in type, and single comb is not that difficult to breed out.   Down the line when you are getting close to what you want, it will take test mating of all your breeders to eliminate the recessive yellow epidermis gene. 
Are you familiar with what it takes to have a new variety admitted to the A.P.A. Standard of Perfection?   The requirements are listed in the bylaws, and they are published in the annual yearbook.   Which, by the way, was out in a timely fashion this year for the first time in recent memory.

Guest:
Ken,

I have a another way to produce your birds. Cross a gold brabanter to the black ameraucana. Brabanter lay a white egg, have muffs and beard, and have blue shanks and white skin. You will have to breed out the crest and two genes called dark brown and the melanotic gene. You will have to breed in the blue egg shell gene.

The white egg will get you away from green eggs.

Another cross would be to a gold campine. You would have to breed in muffs and beard and the blue egg shell gene. Skin and shanks are the same. You will have to breed out one gene- the dark brown gene.

You can email me if you have more questions.

tadkerson@netzro.com

Tim

Mike Gilbert:
Are Brabanters available in this country?   I have never seen one at a show - or anywhere else.   I don\'t know anything about their genetics.   The Campine, according to Jeffrey, does not have pattern gene (Pg) in its genetic roadmap, and Pg is an essential component of the partridge color pattern.   Or is there something more recent that indicates so?   The Campine is smaller in weight than Ameraucana and has white earlobes.  From what I have heard it has a flighty temperament also; there is more than color to consider.   Unless Brabanter are available I think I would prefer to work with the Partridge Plymouth Rock on such a project.  I should think it would be possible to find a couple of females that lay only a very light tinted egg.

grisaboy:
I think you might find e>b floating around in some easter egger flocks.  Especially some of the older (less corrupted flocks) like Murray McMurray.  Some of these have e>b, but they don\'t have the PG gene to get the partridge color.

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