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thoughts on buff and leg color
John:
I understand that the buff laced Polish are supposed to be ER based, but also am under the impression that all solid buff birds are only based on eWh (ey?) or eb.
I had LF buffs hatching out with dark legs a few years ago when Jean got some and remember including about 6 in her order, only to have enough chicks to fill a box. Though culling day-old chicks more severely over the past few years I\'ve eliminated them from showing up.
I still get a few with dark spots on their heads and originally thought it was eb showing up, but now think it may be caused be some modifying gene like Pg.
angora831:
I got a few of these chicks from John last year and out of the group ended up with a rooster and hen that survived. I have used both in my cross with Partridge Rocks this year and I am waiting for the eggs to hatch. Up until now I have just had Black Ameraucans and Partridge Rocks crossed and have all black chicks hatch with legs from dark yellow-brown to dark slate(?). It will be interesting to see what the Buff gives me.
Ken
Mike Gilbert:
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Mike do you think that the second chick has carrying the dun gene? It appears to be buff on the head, wings and tail. The back is a champagne color. Any thoughts???
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So I guess it will remain a mystery for now. But I\'m still leaning toward the ER (maybe split) hypothesis. Jean, I never hatched anything with dun, so would not be the person to ask. My suggestion would be to toe punch or wing band these chicks, record it, and see what develops. There is always so much to learn in this business.
John:
--- Quote ---I got a few of these chicks from John last year
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I just want to explain to onlookers that I purposely sent them to Ken for his partridge Ameraucana project to experiment with.
--- Quote ---McKinney poultry
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I think I\'d heard they got thier start from Paul, but even if not they would go back to my original breeding. Arne Schimdt and I developed LF buffs indendently, but he got some of mine to cross to his after a few years. I\'m not aware of anyone else developing LF buffs.
John:
--- Quote ---The standard for buffs just says slate, not light slate nor dark slate. As long as my buffs have some shade of slate, I don\'t worry about the exact shade.
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Yes! As a matter of fact I am more concerned with the ones that end up with very dark slate. My fear (not terrified) is that they may carry some of the genes that they shouldn\'t.
I went into my archives and found some photos of \"buff\" chicks from 6 years ago. Note I culled and didn\'t breed from the dark ones that hatched with dark legs, but they did continue to show up for years. Putting 2 and 2 together Mike\'s \"ER (maybe split) hypothesis\" may be reasonable. A problem would be that if ER is dominant to eWh I would think the dark chicks wouldn\'t come from true \"buff\" colored breeders. Maybe it was hidden in the under color, when hetero, and the all dark chicks only showed when they were ER/ER?
From the phenotype in these photos you can see why I thought they may be eb. Jean, do any of yours look like these?
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