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WTH Happened here???
grisaboy:
I am actually working on this color in bantams.
I think that it is a dilute gene. probably came from buffs somewhere in the past. Could also be cream gene. Or maybe a combination.
I first had this color in wheatons and thought I lost it when raccoons raided my barn. These just ran free because they were off colors that I really wasn\'t trying to progagate. I really liked the golden males and missed them after they were gone. I had crossed some of those wheatons to brown red and I was able to get the color back (must be recessive the way it hides). I am currently trying to put this golden color on the e+ genes. My goal is to create a true breeding golden counterpart to silver. I will try to post some pictures later.
Curtis
Mike Gilbert:
Dilute (Di) is a dominant gene, so I doubt it could be hiding within a normally colored population. Di is also said to lighten shank color, which is probably why some buffs have the light shanks and toes. This must be some other recessive type of gene, if not ig (cream) then something similar which has not been discovered or named. The ig gene should lighten both males and females - do we know if this one does or not?
By the way, didn\'t John cross wheatens with silvers at one point? It might be very difficult to distinguish a silver wheaten female from a light, creamy wheaten female. Silver wheatens are described in the 1986 version of Bantam Standard.
Jean:
I don\'t know if anyone crossed wheatens or silvers at any point. I haven\'t done it. In my opinion I think it would be pointless to cross them given the poor type of the silver variety.
Mike can you give me some pointers about what a silver wheaten would look like? I don\'t have the bantam standard from 1986. Maybe I can look through my breeding pen to see if any of the birds fit the description and I can remove them.
Mike Gilbert:
Silver wheaten males look like silver duckwings, as in O.E. games. Silver wheaten females look like a light creamy wheaten female. They retain the black in tails and flight feathers, but the sex linked silver gene lightens the wheaten portion of the feathers to a lighter shade. There is quite a bit of variance in regular wheatens, so it might be very difficult to tell a silver wheaten female from a light,creamy wheaten female. All of which explains why the silver wheaten color is not popular.
John:
--- Quote ---The ig gene should lighten both males and females
--- End quote ---
That is recessive and may be the most likely candidate.
Many genes dilute, but since one is named The Dilute gene it can cause confusion.
--- Quote ---didn\'t John cross wheatens with silvers at one point?
--- End quote ---
Maybe, put not that I recall with LF. I was going to do it with bantams, this year, to improve the comb on the silvers, but Curtis talked me out of it. Although I think I may have done the bantam cross a few years ago anyway.
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