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Size in LF
dixieland:
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It is up to us as breeders to be aware of the standard weights and breed accordingly. An oversize large male could be a very valuable breeder because he could bring up the overall size of your flock. We can\'t depend on the show room to maintain the integrity of our breed that is up to us.
Curtis
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Thank you Curtis :D I have suspected this was going on and it is so disturbing....
In the dog world, we also go through size trends....Many breeders base their breeding decisions on what is winning. Although this produces lots of Champions in the short term, it really hurts the breed in the long term.. We lose a lot of genetic diversity and the gene pools become smaller every year!
As Director of Judges Education for my breed club, I work really hard to drill the importance of type and outline into my judges heads... Sometimes I liken it to beating my head against a marble slab, but when I run into them several years out and they show that they can select animals that exemplify breed type, it makes it all worth it!!
In the world of poultry shows what are the prerequisites to becoming a judge? Do the individual parent clubs for each breed play any part in educating perspective judges? I am not very familiar with the process at all..
Christie Rhae:
--- Quote from: grisaboy --- We can\'t depend on the show room to maintain the integrity of our breed that is up to us.
Curtis
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Does this apply to egg color as well?
Is there a way to breed more size into LF other than the obvious... only using your largest birds to breed? I am curious how on earth LF was bred (bread?..sp?) created from bantam?
Mike Gilbert:
Christie, I know the large fowl wheatens, blue wheatens, and lavenders were bred up from bantams by crossing them with large fowl. Bantam blood was also used in the brown reds.
To the best of my knowledge no bantam blood was used in at least some lines of silvers, blacks, blues, buffs, or whites. Perhaps John Blehm and others will chime in here, as they worked more with the large fowl than I. I did develop one line of silvers, blue silvers, a great line of whites that was lost after I let them go, and brown reds in large fowl. I networked with John on the brown reds and a number of varieties of bantams. Bob Walchak has also been a great help in some of the bantam varieties.
grisaboy:
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Does this apply to egg color as well?
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More So.
Other than the egg contests that the Ameraucana Club has at the nationals, egg color will never be considered at a poultry show.
Curtis
Russ:
--- Quote from: Christie Rhae ---
--- Quote from: grisaboy --- We can\'t depend on the show room to maintain the integrity of our breed that is up to us.
Curtis
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Does this apply to egg color as well?
Is there a way to breed more size into LF other than the obvious... only using your largest birds to breed? I am curious how on earth LF was bred (bread?..sp?) created from bantam?
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I just read where they suggest better result\'s to increasing size by choosing large hen\'s to breed from more so than the Male\'s. Test\'s seem to prove more gain when large hen\'s were used in comparison to just focusing on using large cock\'s or cockerel\'s to improve size. Even when smaller cock\'s or cockerel\'s were used. But I am far from a Guru so I am interested what the pro\'s say. I really like working with the Silver\'s and that is one of there biggest downfall\'s
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