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Laced Blue Ameraucana
Christie Rhae:
Aloha,
@ Don.. I ended up with more pullets than cockerels with visible lacing genes. I have 30 chicks to sort through. I have about 10 black ones. Some are blue but with not impressive lacing so they are getting canned as well.
@Mike, I am worried that breeding F1's back to Ameraucana will lose my pattern genes. I think right now they are all "split" for patterns (is that a correct term? lol) They have Pg/pg+, Ml/ml+, Co/co+ I assume...since the Andalusian parent seemed to carry the full set. If I go back to Am now won't the pattern genes just disappear? But if I go back to Andalusian...then I am even further from Ameraucana type. Sigh... I don't know what to do. What if I bred the F1's to each other? Then I would most likely get back to Pg/Pg, Ml/Ml, Co/Co but I guess then I will be possibly doubling up on things I don't want like straight combs, etc.
Unless....Black Ameraucana carries Ml/Ml? The kippen calculator lists Ameraucana as ml+/ml+. If Ams have Ml/Ml then maybe that is what is helping this generation to have better lacing than I expected? In that case maybe my chicks are Pg/pg+, Ml/Ml and going back to Ameraucana will not mess with the Melanotic genes.
Am I talking in circles? :o
Just stumped. I suppose I am in no rush. I could try all combinations and see what works best? lol
Christie Rhae:
Ok I just ran the Kippen calc but inserted Ml/Ml for Ameraucanas. I put F1 back with Ameraucana parent... then crossed those (is that F3 or some other letter?) and that just made this project look WAY easier! "Minimum animals to breed" is only 16...instead of the 4000 plus I usually come up with. ::)
This is assuming John's black Ams carry Ml/Ml.
Intereeessting....
Thoughts anyone?
Mike Gilbert:
--- Quote from: Christie Rhae on November 05, 2013, 03:51:05 PM ---Ok I just ran the Kippen calc but inserted Ml/Ml for Ameraucanas. I put F1 back with Ameraucana parent... then crossed those (is that F3 or some other letter?) and that just made this project look WAY easier! "Minimum animals to breed" is only 16...instead of the 4000 plus I usually come up with. ::)
This is assuming John's black Ams carry Ml/Ml.
Intereeessting....Thoughts anyone?
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Was not the Kippen calculator developed in Europe? Where they have no Ameraucanas? So how would they know? As a matter of fact, short of DNA testing, how would anyone know? I would not place a lot of trust in these on-line calculators once you get past the very basics. I believe there is a lot of guesswork built into them.
Christie Rhae:
--- Quote from: Mike Gilbert on November 05, 2013, 06:26:42 PM ---
Was not the Kippen calculator developed in Europe? Where they have no Ameraucanas? So how would they know? As a matter of fact, short of DNA testing, how would anyone know? I would not place a lot of trust in these on-line calculators once you get past the very basics. I believe there is a lot of guesswork built into them.
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Yes I agree. Do you think the calculations are accurate? I mean after you sort of guess what genes your bird has and manually put that in?
I can already tell that how things work out on paper is not always how they work in real life...just with my first generation. Guess that's what makes it so interesting!
John:
Christie,
I'm not saying it's perfect, but the Chicken Calculator that we are talking about was developed by Henk Meijers. I don't know him personally, but from his postings on The Classroom @ The Coop's Genetics and Selective Breeding forum I know that he knows more about poultry genetics than I will ever know. He has updated the calculator as new genetic information is known/assumed. I find it to be a handy tool, but as you said we are "sort of" guessing what genes our birds have and then enter into the calculator.
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