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Laced Blue Ameraucana
Chicklover:
i hope to get started in the next couple of weeks once to incubator gets empty. I will start this week breeding the Andalusions with my black Roo. Then hopefully will be able to get F1 and F2 this year.
vanalpaca:
Christie, not the same book as yours, but a new publication of a geneticist recommended on this forum, the comment was that he did solid work. I looked for your book, hard to find right now and cost more, too. I did see the pdf ad of it and it does look easier to understand than my author.
So there are NO BLACKS with ER/ER?? I\'ve read some on the forum and am still letting it sift into my soul. Haven\'t GOT it yet and can\'t speak it. Seriously hoping for blacks from John, have sourced a couple of Pauls Blacks and a Smith/Ribbeck line black. Not sure what all of those have as for genetics. BUT I WILL LEARN AS I GO ALONG HERE !!
I did just talk to a lady that mentioned she had Andalusians. Have to learn about THOSE now for this project. How many do I need?? Just a trio or what?? I\'m suspecting just a couple of roos?? or do I need hens, too? She has 20 chicks right now and she is 2 states away, I\'m thinking Illinois.....
Also, what Color are Andalusians coming in and if so which would I need to source for this project.
Hey, new here, knowledge level still ranking 0.......
Jean:
Christie,
I think I am going to go the route of using silver laced orpington when they get here. It will only take two generations to get laced blues. Try the kip calculator and see.
I already have second generation half orp/ half ameraucana eggs in the incubator. The original hen was an english orpington and should have been carrying the PG gene. It is recessive, so I will see what I get with this second cross. I did get one hen in the F1\'s that is laying a minty egg!!! The rest are khaki...
Christie Rhae:
--- Quote from: Jean ---Christie,
I think I am going to go the route of using silver laced orpington when they get here. It will only take two generations to get laced blues. Try the kip calculator and see.
I already have second generation half orp/ half ameraucana eggs in the incubator. The original hen was an english orpington and should have been carrying the PG gene. It is recessive, so I will see what I get with this second cross. I did get one hen in the F1\'s that is laying a minty egg!!! The rest are khaki...
--- End quote ---
Oh that will be cool to try a couple different things. Don\'t want to put all our eggs in one basket...lol! Pattern genes are pattern genes no matter where we get them right?
I will have to research the orpingtons to figure out their geno-stuff to run a calculation on \'em.
What are you going to do with F1\'s? I am thinking of crossing F1 back to blue andalusian parent. (F1 x F1 gives much lower percentage of actual laced birds) Then I ran calculations using those offspring together. (Do we call that B1 x B1?) And I got a much better percentage of blue laced birds. Once I get the birds I want from that crossing (laced, bearded, pea comb, blue egger) and breed them...all babies are laced in the third gen.
Of course you may have the advantage of starting with blacks that are ER/ER. I am going to be trying to bring the ER/ER over from the andalusians.
What I don\'t like about the orpingtons just at first glance is their feather fluffiness and brown eggs. I read the other night that lacing shows up better on hard feathered birds. I guess nobody told the orpingtons that cuz they are beautiful. lol To me the feathers on the andalusians seemed more similar to ameraucana.
And once again I must say that this is all just theory for me... maybe in 5 years I will actually have a clue what I am talking about. :rolleyes:
Mike Gilbert:
Jean, correct me if I\'m wrong, but I believe you already feel your line of blacks is based on E^R, isn\'t that correct? You won\'t be getting it from a silver laced bird, be it Wyandotte or Orpington either one, as they are based on e^b (brown). I hope you have good success, but I think Christie has chosen the shorter route, especially when it comes to egg color and proper Ameraucana feathering. BTW, Pg is capitalized because it is a dominant gene. Time will tell; as they used to say, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Perseverance be with you!
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