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Laced Blue Ameraucana
heatherscooby77:
Mike, I mean it is not crossed out with any other breed. Sorry for the confusion :-)
Christie Rhae:
Well....
Here are my thoughts:
Ml/Ml Melanotic enhances and shifts black pigment to the edges of the feather. This equals \"edging\". There are some birds with very nice edging.
Co/Co Pg/Pg Ml/Ml equals \"Lacing\" (for our project).
I have seen birds, like andalusians, that traditionally have the lacing genes but their lacing looks worse than those with \"edging\".
I had a discussion with someone about their andalusians. The birds did not have any lacing at all. But this person insisted that because andalusians have lacing that this bird had lacing. I guess people do not understand that it does not come as a package. Just because andalusians are supposed to have lacing does not mean they DO.
So I guess we are back to the beginning. For this project we must find the very best specimens we can of each breed. The lacing on the bird we choose as our cross in must be very crisp black and shiny.
SOP says:
--- Quote ---each feather distinctly laced with glossy black
--- End quote ---
I think a key word there is \"distinctly\".
I guess if one starts with an bird that is obviously Ml/Ml and breed that with a bird that is Co/Co Pg/Pg Ml/Ml then at least the Ml will be homozygous (my big word...heehee) on both sides and the offspring will have Ml/Ml instead of getting Ml/ml+.
This is my favorite quote right now...
--- Quote ---Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense
--- End quote ---
So, personally I don\'t find \"The Contrarian Viewpoint\" to be particularly convincing. Thanks for participating though! It was interesting. ;)
grisaboy:
--- Quote from: Christie Rhae ---
So, personally I don\'t find \"The Contrarian Viewpoint\" to be particularly convincing.
--- End quote ---
Ha! if I was more convincing it wouldn\'t be a contrarian viewpoint.
You\'ll be able to determine the results for yourself soon enough.
Curtis
grisaboy:
Here is another site to check out.
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/Brahma/BRKBrahma.html
This is the Brahma page from Feathersite.
Lots of impressive birds with various laced and columbian pattern birds.
There are two beautiful blue colmbian hens down toward the bottom of the page. Especially check out the pattern on the hackles. What would be the genetic make up of these birds?
My guess would be e^b Co Pg
What would they look like if you replaced e^b with E^R?
What about the \'Blue Partridge\' Brahmas? They look like Blue Dark Brahmas to me. What happened to their lacing?
Are they e^b Pg?
grisaboy:
--- Quote from: John ---
I think they could drop the part about \"laced\", since it can\'t be done and still maintain the wheaten pattern...based on what is accepted genetic science as of today.
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Here is another link.
http://www.greenerpasturesfarm.com/ameraucanachickens.html
Check out the cockerel about halfway down the page.
Looks like someone has gotten pretty close to acheiving the impossible (based on accepted genetic science).
Curtis
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