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Laced Blue Ameraucana
John:
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I think they could drop the part about \"laced\", since it can\'t be done and still maintain the wheaten pattern...based on what is accepted genetic science as of today.
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Here is another link.
http://www.greenerpasturesfarm.com/ameraucanachickens.html
Check out the cockerel about halfway down the page.
Looks like someone has gotten pretty close to achieving the impossible (based on accepted genetic science).
Curtis
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Curtis,
It is nice edging, but really not laced or as the guys in the shop used to say \"close, but no cigar\".
When you add the columbian (Co) gene to a eWh, e+ or eb based bird it takes the black out of the breast. It doesn\'t have the same affect on E or ER. Db is also a columbian restrictor and is powerful enough to remove the black breast color of ER males.
If Co is needed for true lacing, then true lacing can\'t be achieved on the wheaten patterned varieties because Co changes the breast color.
Check it out on the Kip Plug-In Calculator...
I had a problem with Co a few years ago when I first got into partridge Chanteclers. They are eb and most males had reddish breasts instead of the required black. I think I have most of the Co bred out of my stain. I kept breeding from only males with the most black breasts.
Buffs have Co. They are based on eWh (some on eb), but don\'t have black breasts like the wheaten variety based on wheaten (eWh) because they have/are Co.
One reason I\'ve always suggested using wheatens to improve buffs, but not the other way around is one way you just have to add the extra genes to get a buff variety and the other way you would have to try to breed out several genes...which can be done, but much more work in my estimation.
Christie Rhae:
Ok guys, it is going to take me weeks to sift through these posts until they make sense in my brain.
I love it!
grisaboy:
Actually you guys are helping me make my point.
My point is that you don\'t necessarily need Co or Db to make Laced blue bird.
You can\'t get Co or Db on a blue wheaton and yet that cockerel a had a link to has pretty good lacing.
This idea of edging vs lacing kind of reminds me of the argument that pops up from time to time about light blue vs dark blue. Usually there are many other issues (Like lacing) that are more important than the shade of blue.
the same is true with lacing or edging. The standard says in the glossary section that lacing is \"A border of contrasting color around the entire web of a feather. Should be very distinct, uniform in width, and usually moderately narrow.\" What you guys are calling edging fits this definition. The standard does not say that you have to have Co or Db to get this border.
Let me show you a couple of other links of blue birds with \"edging\" but do not have Co or Db. I would not hesitate to show either of these birds as laced. But they don\'t meet your definition.
This first one is a blue wyandotte.
http://www.poultrymatters.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=140
Most blue wyandottes are e^b so they can maintain the yellow legs. I can\'t see the legs in this picture but i would bet a dolloar that she doesn\'t have any Co or Db in her genetic map.
Check out this lemon blue game
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/BRKGames.html
You can call that edging if you want but if get Lemon Blue Modern Game with lacing like that, you can bet that I will have her in a show room somewhere. I would guess her genetic make up is E^RE^R Blbl probably some melanizers but not what you would have in a silver laced wyandotte because it would cover up that lemon neck lacing. I guarantee there is no Co or Db in that bird.
Curtis
John:
Check out post #18 for what I\'m referring to as \"true\" lacing...
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/622472/best-looking-blue-chickens/10
That bird has what it takes and I assume that includes Co.
Some of us have shown blue Ameraucanas without lacing for decades. Some looked pretty good...the birds not the exhibitors. ;)
grisaboy:
That Blue Andalusian hen is awesome. No doubt that is the ideal that we are all shooting for. That Blue Andalusian Rooster higher up on the page sure isn\'t much to crow abut. Just goes to show that it makes a difference what strain of Andalusians you use.
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