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JSDJ Farm:
Sorry I figured since I was talking wheaten everyone would understand BLUE Wheaten ...Wheaten ( I say blacks for the Black roos and gals with black gene) and the newly pointed out to me Splash Wheaten whitch hens appear absent of colors and roos are light "washed out" blue?? Sorry guys...I will type longhand in the future =)

JSDJ Farm:

--- Quote from: Beth C on June 03, 2012, 10:11:17 PM ---I'm not sure what you mean about blue & black - are you crossing wheaten/blue wheaten/splash wheaten with black/blue/splash?

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Only talking Wheaten colors....Sorry

JSDJ Farm:
Thank you Don...I have never had a problem on other forums...And I hope to meet many people at the shows in fall...I have attended some because I feel that is a great way to see good standard in person! I may eventually exhibition but for now I am working on quality...I have lots of request for eggs and chicks but I want to offer GREAT birds...period...I work to keep the small breeding groups so I have control and can see my results without wondering who laid what and bred with who!!

--- Quote from: Don on June 04, 2012, 04:24:20 PM ---Welcome Samatha.   Hope we get a change to meet this fall at one of the shows in NC.  Beth has already requested meets for several shows so hopefully we can have a good showing of birds this fall. 

You might do a search for the blue/black/splash breeding ratios to give you an statistical average of results for various combinations.  You will see several discussions about the best way to breed blues if that is your goal.  W/bW and sW are a bit more complicated but I think that the same general results will apply.  You can breed the best that you have until you find another bird that you feel will give you better results. 

Regarding lingo/terminology, different forums use many different terms or acronyms.  Folks at the shows, and us old folks, will typically use the terms in the Standard of Perfections.  Most of us had to learn along the way, we just forgot that it took us a while too.     

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Beth C:

--- Quote from: JSDJ Farm on June 04, 2012, 09:13:17 PM ---Sorry I figured since I was talking wheaten everyone would understand BLUE Wheaten ...Wheaten ( I say blacks for the Black roos and gals with black gene) and the newly pointed out to me Splash Wheaten whitch hens appear absent of colors and roos are light "washed out" blue?? Sorry guys...I will type longhand in the future =)

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Thanks for clarifying - the reason I ask is several people have breeding projects where they've crossed on black to improve one trait or another in a different variety (Jean crossed silver on black, and everyone is still breeding lavender back to black). Since the wings & tails of wheatens are black by default, you can just say wheaten and everyone will know you mean the ones with black. The blue is a modifier, one copy of the gene turns all of the black on the bird to blue (so a black becomes blue all over and a wheaten becomes blue in the wings & tail). Two copies of the gene will dilute it even more, sometimes to the point that the areas that would normally be black are mostly white. I don't know if you are familiar with horses, but the way I remember it is palomino. To get that pretty gold color you have to breed palomino to chestnut. If you breed 2 palominos together, you get a washed out buttermilk color. That's how blue works in chickens.

And I hope I didn't sound like I was poking fun at you on the roo thing - someone, I think John, said something once about a roo being a "young marsupial" and I immediately thought of Roo from Winnie the Pooh (my son is 6) and now I can't see "roo" w/o giggling! ;D

JSDJ Farm:
Beth...I actually loved the roo/winnie the poo thing!! And I now get the confusion over projects...I am really just working on getting great wheatens and avoiding splash...but looks like I need to change a few things. I feel like splash is result of poor breeding in wheatens but had posted a pic of a hen on another site and a lady called her splash and was so excited I had them...kept saying they were rare and highly wanted...then she posted a pic of a splash wheaten rooster and all I saw was a washed out blue....and I dont want washed out blue...I want deep clean blue! Besides my gal she called splash wheaten has blue in her...you just dont see it when she is all tucked tight and posed...I would not mind it in a hen but I want to be sure it does not affect roosters...I believe I will add a wheaten rooster and move Gomer( blue wheaten rooster). He cant get the job done anyway but he is such a good boy.I will just put him with my wheaten hen and put a wheaten rooster over my blue wheaten hens. My egg color is good so I am working on hatching good blues and now I can help educate anyone who buys from me.

As far as some comments...on other sites I have had to specify color totally on wheatens, when I would type wheaten I would get asked blue or black quite often so I was trying to be specific here then tried to cut down on typing because I was on limited time. As far as using roo...it will be a hard habit to break...I had to correct it above everytime! I am a simple farm girl... I live with the ideal not to pick at small stuff (which is hard because I am specific with my birds and want the best breeding which means I pick thier details obssesivly)and to enjoy life and the people and things around us.To be gratefull we are here with each other and to encourge others...life is too short to sweat the petty stuff and pet the sweaty stuff!! ;D

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