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Red Coloring Poll
Cesar “CJ”:
--- Quote from: Jean on January 19, 2016, 07:23:51 PM ---Cesar,
I would not recommend using a rose comb. The pea comb is more dominant over the single comb whereas if you breed a pea and a rosecomb they can both express and you get a cushion comb. Much easier to remove a single comb in the line.
I was considering the red project also, but that will be down the road once the chocolates are done. You always want to use the ameraucana male in your outcross to keep as much of your egg color as possible.
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Jean from my understanding the first cross will produce cushion R/P. Once bred back to Pea Comb, half the offspring should be pure for pea comb P/P, Right ?
I'm not doing the project now, I just got the bug to figure out how to get the red color. I'll prob start the same time you do.
Don:
Combs do not appear as simple as some of the gene sets.
From what I've understand from several sources:
Rrpp, RR,pp provide rose combs
rrPP, rrpP show as pea combs
rrpp provides single combs
RrPp, RRPP provide cushion combs
But the other aspect of the cross besides leg color in my mind is really egg color. If you cross into a strain with dark brown egg color, it will probably take a long time to get back to blue egg color. Buff egg color is still suffering from the buff orp crosses way back. I seems that the brown egg color is much darker in the red colors most of the time. Silver genes in AMs usually have better blue color. Its too bad that there is not a red bird with slate legs and at least white egg color. Most of the time you would at least have to breed out white ear lobs too.
Gordon, it would be great if we had a counterpart in the bantam version to go along with any project in LF or vice versa. But we've had folks start a color in one or the other before and later someone will take on the project of translating into the other size. I know that we've had folks working on several colors over the past number of years. Most often I think in the past they started with bantam and then breed up in size.
Birchen, Columbian, Buff Columbian, Mottled, Cuckoo Lav, Partridge, and Chocolate have all been started at some point in one or the other. I don't know if there are LF projects with Chocolate out there to go with bantams starting now? But then you have the natural offshoots of some other colors like Splash and Splash Wheaten because folks are breeding the Blues and Blue Wheatens. These are easier because you already have the parent colors progressed in traits of the Breed. So there are lots of projects for people to work on, and then there are the 8 accepted colors that still need progression too. Plenty to interest anyone who wants to take on an accepted color or project color.
Cesar “CJ”:
--- Quote from: Don on January 20, 2016, 07:57:43 AM ---Chocolate have all been started at some point in one or the other. I don't know if there are LF projects with Chocolate out there to go with bantams starting now?
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Don, Yes Gene is currently working on the LF. Also myself and another gentlemen in Phoenix name Reed. I crossed a 3rd generation chocolate rooster to my best black/blue pullets and got some decent females, but the males werent the best.
Reed in phoenix has one generation up on me. He crossed with John Blehms blacks and his spring 2015 hatch look good so far. (attached picture is of his chocolate Rooster)
I sold a bunch of pullets as backyard layers because I could guarantee them females due to the chocolate gene being sexlink. Everyone has sent me pictures of their eggs and Im they're getting really good egg color.
I dont have the original breeding trio anymore, I lost them to the heat. But Im currently incubating eggs from birds that I hatched last spring, just for fun. I got them from people who have them as pets.
Being able to cross with blacks has helped them come along quick.
Cesar “CJ”:
Only 4 votes? Come on folks lets hear from you ;D
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