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Self Blues, Recessive Whites, and Blacks
Don:
Jen, It's hard to see all of the attributes on the males in the pictures so trust your best judgement after watching them on your farm. The mother could have been useful but that happens a lot more than not unfortunately. That being said, I would not have an issue with breeding brother and sister one generation if that is your best choice to improve the line. You will be reinforcing the traits that they have so keep that in mind. I don't know how many you want to raise. You might try a couple different males to see what they produce. Mark these and keep good records to create your related families for future generations.
My guess is that the Blacks are based on Gold. Its not a given but if they are good blacks probably so. If you use a Black male to cross into these you will probably bring some good traits into the SB line. And you will produce all females that carry Gold. They likely will not show any issues. The males from this mating may show some issues. But the pullets from this mating will throw males that have Gold genes and you may well end up with SB with a golden cast rather than the nice clean color preferred. Talk to some of those folks that have raised SB for the longest and get their thoughts for sure. Good Luck and I hope you can bring some of these out to some of the meets this spring.
Jen Mitchell:
Don, excellent points and I appreciate the advice... my limits are time, amount of eggs and incubator space, lol... I do have several bators, including cabinets so that's a lot... although feed bill might catch up with me... ;)
I will definitely test mate first off, I want to see who might or might not be carrying the white just for records sake... and then rotate through the males and see how each crossing turns out... will definitely mark each set for sure, thanks...
As for the good blacks I got, I believe if I use them my best bet is to pick out the best cockerel from that mating and use him instead of the pullets... great thing is, there is no shortage of demand for EE's around here, especially pretty ones... and egg color is really nice...
Thanks again, and we'll see about showing... I gotta learn all the prep leading up to first! :D
HarryS:
After hatching for well over 10 years in the lavender project never had a white chick hatch since I only ever had one white hen that I culled after using once on a black. I have had lavenders Ameraucanas and especially Orpingtons hatch very, very light and other people mistake them as white until placed next to a white. I suspect there was other genes involved that had some type of inhibitor gene to make them lighter than the average lavender I produce. I know my lavenders are geneally lighter that a lot of other people out there. I wish I would have gotten a white though since I bought 3 white chicks and now I only have one cockerel left from the three and have to use him over my blacks and blues till I get a few split for next year.
DeWayne Edgin:
Harry I have White's also and I'm in PA if you need help with White's let me know.
Jen Mitchell:
--- Quote from: HarryS on December 31, 2016, 04:22:24 PM ---After hatching for well over 10 years in the lavender project never had a white chick hatch since I only ever had one white hen that I culled after using once on a black. I have had lavenders Ameraucanas and especially Orpingtons hatch very, very light and other people mistake them as white until placed next to a white. I suspect there was other genes involved that had some type of inhibitor gene to make them lighter than the average lavender I produce. I know my lavenders are geneally lighter that a lot of other people out there. I wish I would have gotten a white though since I bought 3 white chicks and now I only have one cockerel left from the three and have to use him over my blacks and blues till I get a few split for next year.
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Harry, I am amazed I hatched any, much less a few of them... the odds were astronomical that it worked out that way... this old cock bird was hatched by Connie Pegram when she got eggs from you March of 2011... she hatched out 3 cockerels and 1 pullet, but when they were 7 months old circumstances had her sell them to Donna... Donna kept him and the pullet to breed... she told me when she decided to let him go that he was the last one left from those originals... and that on a rare occasion, she hatched a white from the pair before... the black split hen I hatched from Jerry was the only survivor out of my entire grow out pen when our ex-neighbors dogs got out and tore it apart... so chance happened for these 2 to end up together, lol...
I hatched 4 whites and 2 of the lavender-whites... both of the lavender-whites were cockerels and 1 of the whites was... I sent them back to Donna as she wished to use them in her project... I still have the 3 white pullets and the old cock bird... and the lavender pullets from that mating, which are a lighter shade and I really like them...
I really don't know what to do with the white pullets, but if you're interested in them, or offspring from them and the old cock bird, you are more than welcome to them... just let me know... the slate on the legs of the whites is very pale, but turned out nice and dark on the lavender-whites and the lavender pullets as well...
Here's a pic of one of the lavender-whites (on the right) and the white cockerel between him and the white Silkie when they were about 3 months old... and one of the lighter lavender pullets... I have more pics from hatch and up, but resizing and posting them here is difficult...
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