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John:
Johnny\'s bird is the result of a wheaten and white cross. The white bird must have carried dominate white, resulting in the red pyle color.
If someone wants to breed for red pyle you may want to use wild-type (e+) as a bases at the E-locus rather than recessive wheaten (e^y). The males look alike, but the females have different patterns. From what I read a red pyle would be wild-type (like the Ameraucana silvers), lack hackle & saddle stripping (duckwing), have gold, mahogany and dominate white. I accidentally breed one about 25 years ago when I used a bird that was dominate white over an Ameraucana.
Some strains of white may carry both recessive and dominate white & some strains of wheaten may carry both recessive and dominate wheaten. Without test mating it is difficult to tell the difference.
White and Splash are quite different colors genetically. I know some say blues may come from crossing black to white, but they must not be \"pure\". All the offspring should be black from that cross. Black to splash yields all blues. The same with a wheaten to splash wheaten. They will produce all blue wheatens. Wheaten to white could yield a variety of different colored offspring. A lot would hinge on if the wheaten (E-locus) is recessive or dominate and what pattern genes (E-locus) the white may have and is hiding under it\'s color and if the white color gene is recessive or dominate, etc.
Johnny Parks:
Hi Mike, I wrote a letter to you a while back inquiring about these birds before I ever got my computer. I did have hens then and something got in the pen and killed all of the hens. I only have the rooster now. One of the hens was solid white with probably two black feathers in her entire body, two other hens looked exactly like the hen \"blanch\" in an earlier posting on this same page. The other two hens looked like \"blanch\" except they had red beards, muffs, heads, neck and breast. About 90% of the hens bodies were white. The two hens with the redder heads, neck and breast, beards and muffs, looked like owls instead of chickens. Scroll up and look at \"blanch\" and you will see a similar hen to what my hens looked like. Johnny
Johnny Parks:
Thanks John for a wonderful explanation of what might have occurred that brought about this bird. A lot of the information currently is above my understanding. I will study up and attempt to understand more about this. I do understand this much, that the stock that I bred from should have produced a splash wheaten. Because of possible genetic changes in the breeding stock the matings produced my red pyle bird. It is a little confusing still, but at least now I know I should refer to him as a red pyle ameraucana (?) rather than a splash wheaten ameraucana because he is a little different genetically than a splash wheaten. At least now I know from your experience of breeding one 25 years ago, and an earlier post on this page by Mike suggest that he too has seen a version of the pyle ameraucana bird. It happens! NOW, do you have any breeding tips for me at this point? I do not have any hens. I no longer have the wheaten stock or white stock. Should I just try to purchase a splash wheaten hen or blue splash wheaten hen for him and be settled at that, or should I try to attempt to produce others like him. If the later, then what breeding tips for that. I just enjoy the beauty of the bird so much. I would never part with him. Glad to finally know to call him a red pyle ameraucana. Still I wonder how to do the bird and this color justice? Thank you all for your input. I apprecite and want to learn from any advice. Johnny
Johnny Parks:
I think my red pyle guy should ask \"blanch\" for a date.
Johnny Parks:
Folks, please scrap my idea on my earlier post of how I thought a splash wheaten is bred. I do not know anything about splash wheatens. I\'ve only saw a picture today for the first time, thanks to Mrs. Barbara. I am trying to learn. The postings have taught me that my bird is not splash wheaten. That is what I wanted to know. Thanks to all. Johnny
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