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Splash Pics
John:
--- Quote ---suggest that the male splash wheaten should be shown as a red pyle.
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I don\'t know why they would. Even though the feather patterns are the same the area that is white on a red pyle is splash (white with splashes of blue/gray) on splash wheatens.
Mike Gilbert:
I don\'t think splash wheaten males would stand much of a chance in a class of real red pyles. The red pyles should not have any blue splotches in the white areas. From a personal standpoint, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this, I think a good wheaten or blue wheaten is much more attractive. Maybe that is why there are no breeds (at least none that I am aware of) that have splash wheaten as a standard variety. That being said, splash wheatens can be useful in mating with straight wheatens to produce all blue wheaten progeny.
bantamhill:
I find some of the things in the Old English books interesting and thought provoking! The genetics may be totally different between the two breeds, but that being said it is interesting to ponder. I think the splashes may really be showing the \"dirty laundry\" from the genetic side of things. I will stop there, but I do find this completely interesting!
Michael
Mike Gilbert:
That\'s an interesting way to put it Michael. We should probably explain to readers here that pyle is based on the dominant white gene superimposed on wild type (BBRed), since dominant white does not suppress red very well but does suppress black pigment very well. Splash wheaten is caused by two copies of the dominant BL (blue) gene, and does not do a great job of suppressing black pigment. It really doesn\'t suppress red much at all. So the genetics of pyle and splash wheaten are very different.
bantamhill:
I wasn\'t quite clear . . . by breeds I was meaning Old English and Ameraucana. Everything Mike said is true and I agree. My terribly unclear point was that in an ideal world the color varieties genetics of different breeds (Old English and Ameraucana) should be the same, but that isn\'t necessarily true. I suspect that some of rusty breast feathers that we see are really errant background genes. Maybe some folks with experience with Old English can share what they know and have observed.
If enough folks begin breeding splash and splash wheaten and talk begins of a standard and qualifying meets we will begin to understand more about what can be done with the splash and splash wheaten.
I plan to raise a few splash and splash wheaten this year to begin showing the varieties and I hope other interested people with show the new varieties . . . varieties only gain a following if people show them and others are interested in the variety.
Michael
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