Jean, Duane Urch\'s strain is different than John\'s, but his females do not have nice even stippling. I think size is pretty good, and male color is quite good. He used to get a few willow legs, but I really don\'t know if any improvement has been made in recent years. I sold him a couple of cockerels a few years ago, as Duane felt his were getting too inbred at the time. So what he has now may be different than what I am most familiar with. Duane runs a display ad in Poultry Press, but if you need a contact number or address let me know.