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Silver Standard Description
grisaboy:
I just sat down with my standard and compared the female silver color description for five breeds. Silver Leghorn, Silver Gray Dorking, Silver Duckwing Modern Game, Silver Phoenix and Silver Dutch Bantam. These birds all look pretty much the same but it is amazing how many different ways you can say the same thing. I like the Silver Dutch description the best because of the emphasis on a uniform gray color on the back but not a specific shade of gray. The only part I don\'t like is the breast color. The Silver Dutch calls for a light salmon color on the breast. I would prefer salmon or rich salmon as some of the other breeds call for.
Curtis
bantamhill:
I am once again refering to the ABA Standard . . . for Ameraucana Wheaten page 29 \"refer to wheaten color description, pag 248, except light creamy females . . . are to be preferred.\" I don\'t see why under the Silver Ameraucana we couldn\'t qualify a preference for the breast shade on the female and refer back to the Dutch description for the APA Standard . . . the ABA Standard has only one silver description. The presidence has been set to state a preferred shading on the female.
Michael
John:
--- Quote ---The only part I don\'t like is the breast color. The Silver Dutch calls for a light salmon color on the breast. I would prefer salmon or rich salmon as some of the other breeds call for.
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--- Quote ---I don\'t see why under the Silver Ameraucana we couldn\'t qualify a preference for the breast shade on the female and refer back to the Dutch description for the APA Standard . . .
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I agree with Curtis and Michael. No matter what description we use, we should \"qualify\" it as needed.
Guest:
Hello everyone.
What a great discussion! It took me a bit to read through all of it but I think I\'m caught up now, lol.
Curtis brought something up earlier that I feel needs to be weighted in this discussion. The leghorn color/pattern of \"Silver\" and/or \"Silver Duckwing\". This color is based on the wild red junglefowl genes at two points on the chromosome. One point (locus) is for the wild type color called \"gold\", and refers to the sex linked gene for red or the alternate mutation of silver. The second point (locus) is for the wild type pattern called \"Black Breasted Red\" which is based on the E-locus gene \"e+\", the most recessive gene that can be present on this chromosome point. Together, these two genes can make BB reds or BB silvers (aka the Silver Duckwing or BB Red patterns).
This is completely different from the Ameraucana type of silver, which from what I understand is based on the E-locus allele (mutation) called birchen \"E^R\". In other words the leghorn silver duckwing (Silvers) and Black Breasted Reds are not based on the same gene as our Ameraucanas are, so perhaps we shouldn\'t try to force our birds to \"look\" like a Silver Leghorn.
This was a question that I was going to ask about, as I noticed that our Brown Reds had the upper chest lacing that\'s typical of a Brown red. Brown Reds are genetically a Red Birchen bird. So I was having a hard time figuring out why our Silvers weren\'t laced in their upper chests, as they are genetically Silver Birchen birds.
Ameraucana Brown Reds should really only differ from the Silvers in color, not pattern. So I guess my opinion would lean toward making our Silvers appear much as our Brown Reds do, just with the silver color instead of the red color.
I hope that made sense, I\'m a bit over due for some sleep, lol.
Regards,
Dan Demarest
Missouri
John:
--- Quote ---Ameraucana Brown Reds should really only differ from the Silvers in color, not pattern. So I guess my opinion would lean toward making our Silvers appear much as our Brown Reds do, just with the silver color instead of the red color.
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I have had bantam brown red sports from using a black male over silver females and have thought about crossing LF brown reds with silvers to hopfully make some improvements with the silvers. As I read the descriptions though, It appears that our silver pattern is the same as light brown and not brown red. Years ago I had what I thought was a very nice silver bantam cockerel, but it was pointed out to me that he lacked white in his wing bays. I think I still have a photo of him on our photos page of this site. Our silvers seem to have the full hackle and saddle striping like the brown red pattern, but the wing bay colored like the light brown pattern using silver instead of gold of course.
About 20 years ago I got my first silvers from eggs that came form Jerry Segler. They were not as good as what we have today. They were in between size birds and I used them to breed for both bantams and LF. I\'ve used OE silver duckwing a few times with the bantams, along with crossing them with whites, blacks and LF silvers. The white/silver cross produced some blues. I used a OE LF silver male early on to breed up the size to get LF. Since then I\'ve also intoduced a silver male from Wayne Meredith, a part Leghorn female from Mike Gilbert and crossed to my LF blacks to improve type.
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