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The Official Forum of the Ameraucana Breeders Club => Ameraucana Marketplace => Topic started by: Jean on October 22, 2009, 11:37:15 AM
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Uh-oh, now I feel a little guilty that the three blacks I hatched from Jean\'s eggs are all females! They look a lot like mine, but I do like the slate leg color on yours better. I wonder if the leg color is darker on mine because they carry Lavender??? Anyway, VERY handsome boy.....good luck at the show!
The lavender splits would have black legs.
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The lavender splits would have black legs.
Jean has selected for slate legs in her LF blacks, so they are based on Birchen (E-locus). I always liked the looks of slate over black on blacks, but selected against gold/silver in the hackles of the males (over many years). This eliminated most or all of the Birchen in my line, which leaves me with blacks with black legs/shanks, based on Extended (E-locus). I would suggest (and assume Jean would agree) that it is better to use blacks based on Extended to cross with lavender and whites (when a cross is needed).
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Jean has selected for slate legs in her LF blacks, so they are based on Birchen (E-locus). I always liked the looks of slate over black on blacks, but selected against gold/silver in the hackles of the males (over many years). This eliminated most or all of the Birchen in my line, which leaves me with blacks with black legs/shanks, based on Extended (E-locus). I would suggest (and assume Jean would agree) that it is better to use blacks based on Extended to cross with lavender and whites (when a cross is needed).
Ok, so there would be no good sense in me getting some of her slated legged blacks to cross with your Lavenders boys. Glad you let me know!
No biggie, they are still very beautiful with the darker legs. Here is a pic of one of them.
John, I\'m 99% sure I have 3 pretty little pullets and 3 cockerels from your B/L split eggs. I\'m keeping one of those boys in addition to the 2 Lavender boys, but I\'ll be looking for homes for the other two boys if anyone hears of anyone looking for one down my way. They are especially good natured boys.
(turned out only 1 of the 6 was a male)
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slated legged blacks to cross with your Lavenders boys
If you are working toward lavender I would use black legged blacks, if available and if a cross is needed.
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E, extended black, does not necessarily make an all black bird either. It takes other unknown melanizers as well. We have all seen black legged males with silver or gold in the hackle. So I guess I\'m not understanding why the same melanizers that make an E bird all black does not work on E>R birchen? Explanation? Or am I missing the point as to why E based birds must be used to make lavender?
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why the same melanizers that make an E bird all black does not work on E>R birchen?
Maybe the same is required, but perhaps more (others) are required to make an E^R all black.
From: http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html#gen_mut_elocus
•E (Extended Black) –black/cream day-old chicks, adults predominantly black, but may have some pheomelanin (silver or gold) areas in hackles.
•ER (Birchen)- black/cream day-old chicks, adults predominantly black, but may have more pheomelanin (silver or gold) areas in hackles, wing bows, etc.
I believe it to be true E/E blacks \"may have some\" silver/gold in their hackles, but E^R/E^R blacks \"may have more\".
It seems the black cockerels that developed gold/silver in their hackles as they matured were the slate legged birds. I believe that although I (we) tried to develop blacks based on E, E^R has also been involved and the slate legged blacks are E^R/E^R. Australops were used to develop the blacks and they are supposed to be E/E.
My guess is that if E produces a more solid black bird then lavender, which dilutes black and red, on E/E would produce a more even colored bird. Lavender males often turn yellowish as they mature, especially in the hackle area. If the bird carries gold (red) it may show more on a E^R bird and be diluted to that yellowish, buff, straw color. Males that carry silver (as you would agree) are better suited, but I think a bird that doesn\'t let any gold/silver leak (to be diluted by lavender) would be a more even colored bird.
It\'s just my thoughts and I hope it makes some sense.
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That helps me understand the thought process, thanks John.
It seems to me that lavenders, like blacks, could be produced on the birchen e-locus, but it would be more difficult. Lavenders should have silver, while blacks should have gold, to obtain the best color. The same is true of blues in my opinion.
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I bought some bantam lavenders a couple weeks ago from a lady that started with birds from me 2 1/2 years ago. This one cockerel, that was hatched in July, has developed a buff/gold pattern in his shoulders. I\'ve never seen this before in my lavenders and it isn\'t the same as the overall yellowish color that appears on many cocks as they age. I\'m assuming he inherited eb or some other e-lous gene from both parents for this pattern to manifest itself like this.
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My guess would be something got crossed in, bringing in some type of autosomal red, or perhaps this bird is split for E extended black and e wild type. Lavender dilutes red as well as black, correct?
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I think that is red diluted to gold because of the lavender gene. \"Porcelain\"
ETA: Cull him...... :(
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I believe it to be true E/E blacks \"may have some\" silver/gold in their hackles, but E^R/E^R blacks \"may have more\".
I believe that both E/E blacks and E>r/E>r blacks are black because of recessive melanizers. Fred Jeffreys called this recessive black. This has not been very well researched and there are a lot of theories being proposed about melanizers and their role in various color patterns. I suspect that there are more than one set of melanizer genes and that the melanizers that make an E/E bird black may not be the same set that make an E>R/E>R bird black.
If you have a black bird with slate legs (E>R?) and cross with a black bird with black legs, you could very well get all black birds. If you get birds with some silver or gold leakage, you should breed them back to their parents to pick up the recessive black melanizers. You can get all black birds back in 2 generations and hopefully keep the slate leg color. Because of the way recessive genes work, you will also get more with the silver/gold leakage. Only about 1/4 will be all black. In addition, the silver/gold is not as apparent in the hens, that is why it keeps popping up in future generations.
I am not convinced of the link between E>R and slate colored legs. I raised black Old English bantams for several years. They were confirmed E>R birds and they always had black leg color.
Curtis
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I believe it to be true E/E blacks \"may have some\" silver/gold in their hackles, but E^R/E^R blacks \"may have more\".
I believe that both E/E blacks and E>r/E>r blacks are black because of recessive melanizers. Fred Jeffreys called this recessive black. . . . I suspect that there are more than one set of melanizer genes and that the melanizers that make an E/E bird black may not be the same set that make an E>R/E>R bird black.
If you have a black bird with slate legs (E>R?) and cross with a black bird with black legs, you could very well get all black birds. If you get birds with some silver or gold leakage, you should breed them back to their parents to pick up the recessive black melanizers. You can get all black birds back in 2 generations and hopefully keep the slate leg color. Because of the way recessive genes work, you will also get more with the silver/gold leakage. Only about 1/4 will be all black. That would be assuming you are only missing one set of recessive melanizers. There could be more than one.
I am not convinced of the relationship between E>R and slate legs. Nor am I. Thanks for sharing Curtis.
Curtis
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I\'m assuming he inherited eb
I meant ER. I have eb on the brain thinking about the partridge thread.
ETA:
I want and appreciate the ideas and input. All sound reasonable, except Jean\'s \"ETA\". I don\'t see what Extra Terrestrial Aliens would have to do with it.
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Lavender dilutes red as well as black
http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#pluginTreeLavender.
Recessive, Dilutes black patterns to lavender color.
Dilutes gold to isabell.
Isabella = 91 Dark Grayish Yellow 3.8y 5.9 4.0 #A47C45 (Palomino)
Using the Kip Calculator, E with any other e-locus allele produces a solid lavender bird.
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html
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FYI, here is a photo of some LF lavenders. They\'ll be a year old around April.
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Those are simply gorgeous !!! I knew I\'d like them.
April
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John,
Yours are looking very nice. Hoping to put some pictures on but I need a program for my camera.
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Very nice John. All your hard work is showing. I feel very lucky to have some of your stock.
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I wanted to bring this thread back up since I am having some questions about breeding lavender.
I spoke to a gentleman last night about our lavender project and the eye color....
I was informed that it is going to be extremely difficult to get reddish bay eyes on these birds because of the lavender gene being a color diluter.
Does anyone actually have birds with the correct eye color at this point or are the a light yellowish red????
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Would the Lavender gene also affect the eye color on the B/L splits? ....or only on a visually Lavender bird?
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Lavender gene also affect the eye color
I\'d never heard that lavender dilutes anything other than black and red feathers. I doubt it dilutes eye color and the shanks on my lavenders are dark slate. I believe the eye color on the lavenders is often better than the blacks.
Dr. Okimoto \"expects\" lavender dilutes eye color, but also says \"eye color is pretty much a genetic mystery for chickens\".
http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations2.html#gen_mut_eye
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John, I have seen your lavender bantams, and the eye color looked fine to me. That was one of the first things I looked for.
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I just hatched out 2 Black/Lavender split chicks, and am surprized at the size and weight of the chicks. Sure was hoping for Lavenders, but I\'m VERY HAPPY with these babies. They\'re as large as some of the Cuckoo Marans chicks.
Only one of the four eggs didn\'t develop.
The last egg came from the group of 5 females that hadn\'t been with the Lav male but two weeks, and that chick hatched out solid white! Obviously my white roo breed my female (no surprise, I didn\'t try to prevent it) and the sperm was still viable.
John, am I correct to assume you have no recessive white in this line, so my white rooster and the new white chick would have to be dominate white?
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no recessive white in this line
A lady, here in Michigan, bought some bantam lavenders from me two or three years ago and said she hatched two white chicks from them...besides the lavender chicks. The large fowl were bred up from the bantams using LF blacks, so I guess there could be some recessive white. The weird part is that of the many hundreds of lavenders I\'ve hatched I haven\'t had any white sports. Recessive genes can hide for years and decades. Test mating each breeder is the only way to eliminate them, but who has the time?
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Definately no extra time here, but I was wanting more whites too, so either way I win!
I can put my white male with the EE hens and see if I come up with any white chicks.
I have 22 Lavender X Black/Lavender split eggs in the incubator due on the 17th, and there\'s no possible way they were sired by anyone but the smaller of the two Lavender boys, so hopefully I\'ll have some nice Lavender chicks soon. That cockerel is filling out so nicely.
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Sherry, I\'m so excited about the chicks I\'ll be getting from your eggs James is hatching....just not excited about the testing part though. I\'m so anxious.....:) Thank you so much.
April
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Hey, why so anxious? Are you nervous about testing them yourself, ....or is James going to test them for you? Will NPIP even let you do it yourself? If so, you could practice on some of your bigger birds first. I\'m just happy you figured out a way that you could get some chicks from me. My incubator is just to small to hatch for others. I do hope to get NPIP certified later this year though. It will have to be after school lets out though, because I can\'t miss an opportunity to sub right now.
I need to get your email by the way.
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I need to get your email by the way.
FYI, you can email any poster by clicking on the EMAIL button in the top left area of thier post.
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thanks John....rushing through things instead of slowing down.
:)
April
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that chick hatched out solid white!
All the chicks from my lavenders have had lavender down when they hatched. Today as I was looking over the started chicks I noticed white feathers on a couple chicks. Since all my chicks are together in the brooder I can\'t say for sure, but assume they are from the lavenders. Their down looks more gray than lavender. The feather\'s on one are coming in all white (1st photo), while the other is growing white feathers with lavender at the tips of the feathers (2nd photo). The 3rd photo is a chick with lavender feathers for comparison.
What a surprise.
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What percentage of the hatch are white? That second one is unusual...boggles MY mind anyway.
A silver based white will have a blue/gray cast to the down instead of yellow. Maybe they aren\'t from the Lavenders after all. Do you have any new white breeders that could be silver based instead of gold?
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What percentage
I have no idea.
white breeders
I haven\'t had any white birds for a few years.
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Probably are from the Lavenders then. If you have black/Lavenders with ER that are silver based that would explain the gray down.
...or I believe even just E with the silver gene.
More test breeding ahead? :p
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A silver based white will have a blue/gray cast to the down instead of yellow.
I\'m curious as to what you base that statement on? Generally speaking, recessive white chicks will have gray in the down, while dominant white will have yellow down. E locus genes also affect down color. I never before have heard that it has anything to do with the sex linked silver/gold allele. As one example, White Plymouth Rocks carrying sex linked gold will usually have gray chick down.
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A silver based white will have a blue/gray cast to the down instead of yellow.
I\'m curious as to what you base that statement on? Generally speaking, recessive white chicks will have gray in the down, while dominant white will have yellow down. E locus genes also affect down color. I never before have heard that it has anything to do with the sex linked silver/gold allele. As one example, White Plymouth Rocks carrying sex linked gold will usually have gray chick down.
Maybe I was given false information then, but that\'s what I\'ve been told about breeding White Cochins. I had purchased some \"blue\" (gray down) Cochins that feathered in white, and I was told that they were probably silver based as opposed to gold. My others had had yellow down. I\'ve also heard that mentioned about Silkies. BUT I\'d also been told once that the gray down might be because of dominant white, which is the total opposite of what you just said.
From my own experience, the Red Pyle project birds I have hatched have all had yellow down, and those are gold based and also have dominant white.
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\"From my own experience, the Red Pyle project birds I have hatched have all had yellow down, and those are gold based and also have dominant white. \"
Your red pyles are based on e (wild type). The chicks are yellow primarily because of the dominant white. I believe the e-locus has much more to do with chick down color than does silver/gold. Take buff columbians for example. They are gold based, chicks are buffish on the head and front, and are grey/black on the rest of the body. Silver Columbians are the same, with white replacing the buffish areas. Both have grey chick down. But they are both based on e>b (brown). Also, I have hatched many hundreds of wheaten chicks that are off-white (not yellowish) at hatch. They are definitely gold based, but don\'t have yellow chick down.
This is what makes poultry breeding so much fun - trying to figure out all the variables.
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I\'ve learned so much from reading the topics here over the past year or so. Definately worth the $10.00 membership fee! So I guess both Cochins and Silkies come in both Dominant white and recessive white?...and the down color has nothing to do with the gold and silver gene? Wow, scratch everything I though I knew, lol!
Well, the white chick I hatched from my Black/Lavender split Ameraucana (from John) is yellow, and feathering in white. She was breed by a white roo about 2 weeks prior to being put in with my Lavender roo, so I\'m leaning towards her (and her white father) being dominant white even more now.
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So I guess both Cochins and Silkies come in both Dominant white and recessive white?I don\'t raise those breeds, but suspect that might be the case.....and the down color has nothing to do with the gold and silver gene?
I would not go that far. It depends on a variety of factors, so one can\'t make a blanket statement that it always is this or that. Silver/gold is responsible for the chick down color differences between buff and light Brahmas, partridge and silver penciled, silver and light brown, etc., etc.
But I don\'t think it causes yellow versus gray down in most cases.
Well, the white chick I hatched from my Black/Lavender split Ameraucana (from John) is yellow, and feathering in white. She was breed by a white roo about 2 weeks prior to being put in with my Lavender roo, so I\'m leaning towards her (and her white father) being dominant white even more now.
By \"she\" do you mean the mother of the yellow chick, which is the split from John?
Do you know the source of your white rooster? It is possible he could be dominant white - in fact it is possible for chickens to be BOTH dominant and recessive white, as the genes are inherited independently of each other.
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So I guess both Cochins and Silkies come in both Dominant white and recessive white?I don\'t raise those breeds, but suspect that might be the case.....and the down color has nothing to do with the gold and silver gene?
I would not go that far. It depends on a variety of factors, so one can\'t make a blanket statement that it always is this or that. Silver/gold is responsible for the chick down color differences between buff and light Brahmas, partridge and silver penciled, silver and light brown, etc., etc.
But I don\'t think it causes yellow versus gray down in most cases.
Well, the white chick I hatched from my Black/Lavender split Ameraucana (from John) is yellow, and feathering in white. She was breed by a white roo about 2 weeks prior to being put in with my Lavender roo, so I\'m leaning towards her (and her white father) being dominant white even more now.
By \"she\" do you mean the mother of the yellow chick, which is the split from John?
Do you know the source of your white rooster? It is possible he could be dominant white - in fact it is possible for chickens to be BOTH dominant and recessive white, as the genes are inherited independently of each other.
Yes, she, my B/L split (and a few more from John), was in a pen with other hens and roos (a white roo being dominant roo) prior to being separated into a breeding pen with John\'s Lav cockerel and 3 more B/L splits.
I hatched the white roo from some of my white Ameraucana hens back in the day when everyone ran together, just for fun, just to have chickens, and his father MIGHT have been one of the EE\'s that I used in developing the red pyles, so he could very well be dominant white, but as you mentioned they can also carry recessive white, so that is also also a possibility.
I don\'t have this same white roo now. I sold him several weeks to months back as an EE, because his comb was a little floppy and he had a little green in his legs. I also have his brother, who\'s much better but still a touch of green near his feet. I\'ve never used him for breeding, but may use him with the Red Pyles if he\'s dominant white.
Breeding the white roo to that B/L hen wasn\'t intentional by the way, but neither was it prevented. They were all in a large coop/grow out pen and a run together.
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I\'ve learned so much from reading the topics here over the past year or so. Definately worth the $10.00 membership fee!
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some lovely pictures of Harry Shaffers lavender chicks
From Cindy...
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Stop it John, just stop it. I swear I can\'t take on another variety!
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Ah, but look deep into the eyes of those awesome little lav-en-der babes...and those perfectly gorgeous pea combs are to die for! :p
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aww that first picture really draws you in... \"the force is strong with this one... you will cross over to the LAVENDER side.... \"
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OMGosh, what gorgeous babies and great photographs!
If I didn\'t have 16 newly hatched chicks at home, 8 Lavender and 8 B/L splits, I\'d probably be ordering a few right now.
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I think it\'s time for me to trade my wheatens/blue wheatens in!
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Barb, that would be like Luke Skywalker defecting to the dark side. Keep the faith! Feel the Force!
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aww that first picture really draws you in... \"the force is strong with this one... you will cross over to the LAVENDER side.... \"
**insert mechanical breathing effect**
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Stunning! I need another variety like a hole in the head, but I can\'t resist!
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Barb, that would be like Luke Skywalker defecting to the dark side. Keep the faith! Feel the Force!
LOL B)
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Anyone experiencing feather problems on their Lavenders?
I found some information online just now that was very interesting, but it was on another forum so I didn\'t think I should post the link.
Anyway, some breeders recommended breeding Lavender to splits ONLY, never Lavender to Lavender to avoid the feather problems, brittle feathers, \"ratty tail\" and the little marks on the hackle feathers of the males.
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Anyone experiencing feather problems on their Lavenders?
I found some information online just now that was very interesting, but it was on another forum so I didn\'t think I should post the link.
Anyway, some breeders recommended breeding Lavender to splits ONLY, never Lavender to Lavender to avoid the feather problems, brittle feathers, \"ratty tail\" and the little marks on the hackle feathers of the males.
Thats really interesting. I for one would be really interested on the outcome of this. I have not heard of this before. Thanks!
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feather problems, brittle feathers, \"ratty tail\"
One guy told me a while back that he has a theory about adding the slow feathering gene to improve feather quality.
I don\'t have any plans of getting into a project like that to find out.
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feather problems, brittle feathers, \"ratty tail\"
One guy told me a while back that he has a theory about adding the slow feathering gene to improve feather quality.
I don\'t have any plans of getting into a project like that to find out.
No, not something I want to do either. I\'ll let him be the guinea pig...or rather his chickens. Breeding to blacks and splits sounds like a better plan to me.
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It sounds like you shouldn\'t/can\'t breed the lavenders to lavenders? Do you have to breed to splits? On the bantams you can breed lavenders to lavenders. They breed true. I guess I just expected the large to also.
If anyone has an idea I\'d be much appreciative.
Thank you for your help.
April
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April, it\'s not that you can\'t breed Lav to Lav, just that some breeders don\'t recommend it because of feather problems that can go along with the Lavender gene. Unless you experience feather problems breeding Lav to Lav, then I wouldn\'t worry.
Oh, and they do breed true like your bantam Lavenders. Whether big or small, if you breed two Lavenders together you will get Lavender chicks.
I had one Lavender chick hatch before I left for work. :D I hope to find more when I get home.
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some breeders recommended breeding Lavender to splits ONLY, never Lavender to Lavender to avoid the feather problems, brittle feathers, \"ratty tail\" and the little marks on the hackle feathers of the males.
This is a common problem in lavender birds. I have seen this in self blue (lav) Old English Games. The ones I raised had a thin, twisted tail and a shoulder patch on the wings that looks like it never quite got through molting. The good news is that it can be bred out. The Old English Game breeders have developed strains that are virtually free of this problem and I have seen a lot of nice self blue D\'Anvers without feather problems. I have only seen this trait in males, but of course it is carried by the females too. So you have to track which hens are throwing males with this trait and get rid of them as well as the males with this trait. This trait is pervasive and can\'t be eliminated by breeding to blacks. The splits can look perfectly normal but produce lav offspring with this trait. If you are not seeing it in your birds now I wouldn\'t worry about it. Select your lavender males for GREAT tails and watch for birds that don\'t feather out completely after they molt.
Curtis
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Thank you Curtis for sharing your knowledge and experience with lav birds. Poultry breeding is not difficult if one is satisfied with any or mediocre results. To me the joy of being a fancier is the continual striving perfection, all the while knowing perfection may never be achieved. But marking the progress from generation to generation, setting goals via plans A and B and sometimes C, and monitoring results leads to new knowledge and a sense of accomplishment. As they say, life/happiness is more of a journey than a final destination. Those of us who are believers know our final destination, and it doesn\'t have much to do with poultry breeding. Have a great Sabbath today.
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Thanks so much Curtis, great information!
My Lavender rooster has such nice feathers that I don\'t anticipate a real problem but will definately keep an eye out for it and cull accordingly.
Lavender and B/L split chicks
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This trait is pervasive and can\'t be eliminated by breeding to blacks. The splits can look perfectly normal but produce lav offspring with this trait.
Once again you gave a logical answer based in genetics.
I sometimes avoid putting my two cents in right away hoping others will diplomatically jump in.
Sherry also had a prefect reply/answer to a April\'s post. I just want to echo her words without adding to them.
it\'s not that you can\'t breed Lav to Lav, just that some breeders don\'t recommend it because of feather problems that can go along with the Lavender gene. Unless you experience feather problems breeding Lav to Lav, then I wouldn\'t worry.
Oh, and they do breed true like your bantam Lavenders. Whether big or small, if you breed two Lavenders together you will get Lavender chicks.
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Thank you everyone for the replies...this helps me to understand and know what to look for and breed accordingly.
I agree Mike, it\'s the journey...I know how it ends (begins) just trying to figure out the \"in between\"...LOL
:)
April
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April, did you pick up the Lavender babies this weekend as planned? You\'ll have to take some pictures.
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Yes, I got them...they\'re gorgeous. !!! I\'ll try to get pics up...
:)
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April,
I would recommend to all breeders who are new to lavenders to cross them with a black or a black split. (Just make sure to toe punch as many out there have crossed these birds and have no idea now who is carrying the lavender gene.)
They are going to still need improvement for quite some time and crossing them to a good feathered, appropriately sized black will produce quick results.
This will go a long way to prevent any feather quality issues and will improve egg color should you have a line with that issue.
Jean, I took your quote from Aprils thread so I didn\'t hijack it.
I\'m glad you brought this up. I\'ve hatched around a dozen and a half Lavenders, and at least 2 dozen or more splits. Not a lot, but enough to pick out a few nice birds for myself and a few extras to sell or give away. Well, I\'ve had several people contact me over the past month or so about buying chicks, but no one wants the black splits, even though I\'ve explained why they\'re useful. And all my black chicks carry Lavender, no question, as the Dad of all was Lavender.
I decided I had 2 or 3 extra trios that I\'d like to sell, each made up of 1 Lavender cockerels with 2 black split pullets. I had one trio spoken for, and then a couple of weeks later I got an email saying they really didn\'t have room for another rooster and wanted Lavender pullets only and how many did I have. I told them to contact you or John, lol!
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I hope I\'m not hijacking this post, but I have some question?
I\'m not knowledgeable about genetics, but hoping to at least get an understanding of it for now.
My Lavender LF that I got from Harry Shaffer,
Do I need to see what they will produce breeding Lavender to Lavender. Or do I need to start with a Black Rooster to improve the size and egg color.
If I get a Black Rooster, how will I know if it will improve the Lavender. I\'m looking at a Black from Paul Smith\'s line.
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Jeepers,
Yes you should get a good black. It will improve feather quality and bring the bird even closer to the standards. As far as size my birds are large to start with but egg color would also be improved. I am still breeding blacks to Lavenders myself for my own stock improvement. I do have a few lavender hens that lay a nice blue egg but the blacks usually have better egg color.
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Harry
The 2 rooster that I got from you last fall have good lavender color, 1 was a bit larger than the other. I have sold the larger of the 2 and still have the other rooster. My intention is to sell him also. The chicks that I hatched out are showing good lavender color, 1 had no beard or muffs and I have culled it already. I\'m hoping to arrange to get a Black rooster from Nita sometime this summer.
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For anyone near Southern Arkansas I\'ll have several Black/Lavender split cockerels available later on. I just want to wait a little while longer to be positive they\'re males, and so I can pick out the best one or two to keep. So far, they look like they\'ll all have good beards and muffs, and most are very friendly.
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I recently got some bantem lavenders and i have no clue what to do! can anyone give me a recap on how the people made this colour? how do you breed it?....just do a lavender to a lavender or what? What colours do i want to look for? I so confused!!!
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Just breed lavender to lavender, and try for the most even coloring possible. Avoid brassiness (yellowish tint), any off color in the male hackles, and tiny flecks of white or black.
Just one nice even shade - and that is the challenge. John Blehm can give you a rundown of how they were made, as I believe he is primarily responsible for creating them. If I am wrong somebody please correct me, as I don\'t raise lavenders.
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recap on how the people made this colour?
The color has been around and an accepted variety (\"self blue\" aka lavender) in some bantam breeds. We used d\'Anver and Old English bantams to bring the color over to the Ameraucana breed.
If you do a search on this forum for the word \"lavender\" you\'ll find lots of information.
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Ok thanks..... This make alot more scence now!!! :D
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Those darn broody hens of mine finally started laying again 5 or 6 weeks ago, and I just hatched out around 30 new babies. Now two of the 6 are already broody again, lol!
Lavenders, Black/Lavender splits, and a few Wheaten Marans.
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3628/babychicks1.jpg)
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Those darn broody hens of mine finally started laying again 5 or 6 weeks ago, and I just hatched out around 30 new babies. Now two of the 6 are already broody again, lol!
Lavenders, Black/Lavender splits, and a few Wheaten Marans.
Oh oh.....Just seeing those babies is giving me the hatching bug again!! I haven\'t hatched any out since May and I\'m starting to get withdrawls big time.
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Melissa,
My regular email is not working properly at this time and hope you visit this site.
My Lavender Ameraucanas do have some bantam in their background so the small chicks may be not up to the standards for size.
My lavenders LF Ameraucanas may have silver or gold in their background. Most of the blacks have gold background but I have had some that had silvers in their background several years ago when I crossed silvers with blacks.
Perhaps someone on here can tell you if their is any visual difference in full grown birds possibly on here which ones are silvers and which ones are gold background. If you need ones with definate silver background for a project I\'d suggest a Coronation Sussex be used.
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FYI,
Mike Gilbert started a topic on another poultry forum about the use of \"lavender\" and \"self blue\". It is worth checking out.
http://showbirdbid.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1486&page=1