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Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 28, 2005, 12:30:12 PM
Mike, John, Paul and all you others who are in the know....what is the game plan for getting the splashes accepted by the Standard?
  I\'m sure it\'s not a priority, and I ask just because I think that they are absolutely gorgeous.  I have a splash cock bird that\'s about four now.  A little crusty with age, but still my favorite.

Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on November 28, 2005, 05:13:42 PM
Hi Angela,
As near as I can remember, no one until now has expressed an interest in getting splash into the Standards.   I could possibly help with bantams, but don\'t keep blue large fowl.
Is anyone else out there interested now?   It takes at least five breeders who are willing to certify they have raised them at least five years.   And then at least 50 birds in all classes (C, H, K, & P) must be shown at a qualifying meet.

Mike
Title: Splashes
Post by: John on November 28, 2005, 05:53:38 PM
I\'ve always felt splash is a very attractive variety, but since they weren\'t recognized I haven\'t breed for them or from them.  I have had a few over the years that were sports from my blues.
I too don\'t remember hearing anyone express an interest in having them recognized, I don\'t know of any game plan.  I have enough breeding projects going on, but producing splash doesn\'t require a separate breeding pen so I could help if there is enough interest.  If the interest is there, is it for both large fowl and/or bantams?    
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 28, 2005, 10:38:33 PM
We are interested in working with the splash ameracaunas. We have blacks and blues from Paul Smith. We can work on the splash. We would appreciate any input and help on developing the splash.  Thanks P & R Poultry, Paul and Ronda Caruso
Title: Splashes
Post by: bantamhill on November 29, 2005, 09:19:09 AM
I have bantam splash and could create large fowl splash easily in 2006. My suggestion would be to gather some documentation on who has splash. I would then suggest to put the splash and black gold on the same qualification track with the ABA and APA.

I would think the club needs to create a verification form for qualifying new varieties that the board of directors agrees to pursuing a qualification meet on that way we know who has had what for how long!!!!

I would be willing to help with paperwork and logistics (as well as breeding).

As an after thought - those of us interested in self blue could also get on the schedule . . . however that would put us on fall 2009 qualifying meet schedule. I think it would be best to qualify the large fowl and bantam with the APA and ABA at the same time. Location of meets might impact this decision also.

Michael
Title: Splashes
Post by: Paul on November 29, 2005, 09:29:30 AM
  I\'m interested in helping with the splash project.  We have worked with splashes for several years now.  I\'d have to check back records for a date.  The best blues that we have ever produced have been out of splash and black matings.  Our blue cockerel which was BV blue at the Sedalia national is out of a splash pullet mated to a black cockerel.  Our # 10-05 Ameraucanas, are out of black pullets and a splash cockerel.  They are some of our best blues from 2005 hatch.  One of our 2006 breeding pens contains black and splash sisters (blues sisters have been sold) mated to a splash cockerel.  This will be our first time to mate two splash which will produce only splash.  The blue pullets were sold out of these so I would know that the splash chicks which hatch from this pen will be out of the 2 splash pullets that are in the pen.  Blue mated with splash will produce both blue and splash.
  I hope others will help with this splash project.  Beth Collier raises splash also.  Both showed one at the Lucasville, Ohio national meet in 2003.  Lisa Cree is also working with splash.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2005, 11:42:04 AM
I am woefully ignorant of procedures for any of this, but if someone is willing to babysit me, I\'m in.
   
Title: Splashes
Post by: Blue Egg Acres on November 29, 2005, 03:14:09 PM
Quote from: John
I\'ve always felt splash is a very attractive variety, but since they weren\'t recognized I haven\'t breed for them  


Same here. I don\'t have the black/blue splashes, but do have the large fowl splash wheaten and have used them on a limited basis to produce blue wheaten. I\'ve wondered why they aren\'t recognized. Any chance we might have them recognized at the same time as the blue splash?
Title: Splashes
Post by: John on November 29, 2005, 05:56:16 PM
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Any chance we might have them recognized at the same time as the blue splash?

Not that there is anything wrong with splash wheaten, but I don\'t think there would be enough breeders interested in breeding them.  If the breeders are interested then there is nothing to stop you.  There aren\'t any real development programs needed for either variety since they can be bred from show quality blues and blue wheatens.  Again I would help if you find enough interest.
I\'m personally leery of getting new varieties recognized just to have a bunch of them and then not have enough interested individuals in continuing to breed and show them in the future.
I\'ve never liked the fact that blues don\'t breed true and that is one reason I prefer lavenders to blues and have started to breed them.  I\'ve joined in on the black gold project for two reasons.  First to help the members get them recognized that want them recognized and second is to push thru the LF version at the same time, just because I would like to see the same varieties in both Ameraucana breeds.  
Just some of my thought,
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2005, 06:48:09 PM
I would be very interested in working to get the Splash Blue Wheatens accepted. I realize it would take five years, and since this is my first year I might not be able to help (are there others out there who are working with them?)

I have a lovely SBW pullet I hatched from eggs from Barbara, she\'d be fabulous to show, and I\'ve heard from long-time Dutch breeders (where we also work with the Andalusian blue genetics) that some of the best blue birds come out of Splash hens.

So, count me in!
Title: Splashes
Post by: bantamhill on November 30, 2005, 02:17:18 PM
Words of caution are appropriate given the loss of silvers in the bantam and the time it takes to recreate a variety. I suspect the splash and splash wheaten would be safe over the long term. Self blue and black gold need folks to committ to them long term.

Michael
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 30, 2005, 04:13:59 PM
I don\'t know about taking on a new variety, but if you really need help with the black golds & lavenders, I\'ll step up.  You guys tell me what you need.  I have the luxury of vacant time right now.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 30, 2005, 06:21:56 PM
We are truly interested in the blue splash and the wheaton splash. As we already have these varieties. We feel that we can concentrate on these. If anyone has any eggs available or breeding stock or chicks later, feel free to contact us.
Paul and Ronda Caruso
 P & R Poultry
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 30, 2005, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: bantamhill
Words of caution are appropriate given the loss of silvers in the bantam and the time it takes to recreate a variety.
Michael


Well, since at present my Wheatens, Blue Wheatens, and Splash bird are all in the same pen, and I was planning on breeding some Splashes anyway (I have liked them since I got my first Blue Cochins), it won\'t require any additional effort for me. I am very familiar with how the genetics works (using it in my Dutch too) so it shouldn\'t be a problem. And it\'s not like W and BW are rare, right?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Guest on November 30, 2005, 06:58:29 PM
Doing the splash, for me is a no-brainer....I\'m already doing it.....I just need someone to line me out on what we need to do.
   Bantamhill...... let me know what you need.  I\'m close enough to you to become an extension of your breeding program.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on December 01, 2005, 06:20:32 PM
Perhaps it is time to update the club\'s Breeders Directory.
John, do you have time to do that?   Once accomplished, anyone interested in helping to establish a new variety should order a copy to see who the others might be that are working on specific new varieties.   Then those members should contact each other to establish a core group of five or more and designate a spokesman to apprise the club secretary (currently John Blehm) of when the qualifying meet(s) should be scheduled, general location, etc.   The secretary will then coordinate the qualifying meet(s) with the American Bantam Association and American Poultry Association.  Any one who decides to participate should be prepared to travel, perhaps a long distance, to show at the qualifying meet(s).   In 1983 we had members from Wisconsin, Illinois, Tennessee, California, and perhaps another state or two who helped to qualify the breed at Columbus, Ohio.
From a personal standpoint, I am already working with black gold bantams and perhaps could be persuaded to help out with black gold large fowl when seed stock is available to be shared.   I would also help out with splash bantams since I raise blues.
Any questions?

Mike Gilbert
Title: Splashes
Post by: John on December 01, 2005, 08:45:47 PM
The Breeders Directory is up-to-date for now...It gets updated every January, since I start it over from scratch each year.  The 2005 Directory contains info on 35 breeders.  
I have sent membership forms to all the members to fill out and return with their dues.  The bottom portion of the form should be filled out only if the member wants to also be included in the 2006 Breeders Directory.  The 30+ that have already paid their dues for 2006 can still send in the forms to be included in the 2006 Directory.
Members may include all the varieties they are working on, on the forms, not just those that they offer for sale.
I would prefer to have the Directory as part of our website, so that it can be accessed at anytime by anyone and have the latest info.
Title: Splashes
Post by: far149 on December 22, 2011, 10:42:00 PM
Are we any closer to requesting our splashes be recognized or has the interest waned?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Coyote on December 26, 2011, 03:42:56 PM
I have raised Splashes since the first one showed up 7 years ago. I am willing to help but only go to 3 or 4 shows a year. Let me know what I can do to help.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Paul on December 28, 2011, 08:33:14 AM
We are still raising splashes and splash wheatens.
Started breeding splash to splash in 2005.  We have another pen of them this year.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on December 28, 2011, 08:35:31 AM
I will be mating blue to blue bantams again this year, so should have a few splash to show and share this fall.
Title: Splashes
Post by: jwoodhaven on December 29, 2011, 04:07:29 PM
As most of you  that know us know, e have been raising and showing splash for about 10 years now.  Unfortunatly there has not been a lot of competion. We mainly show large fowl and have had a few bantams from time to time. We some times put pens together pens for breeding with the intent of gettins splash from the crosss.As you all know, breeding with blacks, blues and splash, there is never a guarantee how many of each color you will get. Also the eveness of the splashing varies.
We would be interested in getting the color approved and would help out if we can.
I may be mistaken, but the only breed the might have splash approved are the Modern Games. At the least , they are working on it. We could be one of the first breeds to get this done if enough people are interested.

Jake and Jerry
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on December 29, 2011, 08:10:29 PM
Splash Silkies were admitted to the APA Standard in the year 2000, so along with the Moderns, there is enough precedent now for proceeding with Splash Ameraucana acceptance.  The monetary fees have become much more substantial than they used to be.   Should that be something the ABC organization pays for, or should the members that raise and show splash be on the hook for that?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Sharon Yorks on December 29, 2011, 09:19:42 PM
Where, or why, does adding another recognized color (splash) create monetary fees? Are you talking about prize money having to be raised to award the splash classes at the shows or in a different area? I’m not sure I understand what monetary fees you are referring to. Please bear with me; this is my first year as a member.

I will be raising splash Ameraucanas this year. I have an awesome splash cockerel (thanks again Paul) that I have in with my best two black hens and a splash right now and have been gathering eggs (18 so far) since Dec. 22nd to set on January 1st. I’m anticipating some really good blue chicks. I then plan to put him in with two splash females to raise straight splash. And regardless of whether or not the splash-color becomes recognized, I will continue to raise them. I’ve had three people contact me in the last two months off of the ABC directory. Two of those are planning to order 10-15 just splash. At this point, I really wish I had a few more splash pullets. I’m really hoping my blue on blues throw me a bunch, too.

--Sharon
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on December 29, 2011, 09:36:19 PM
There is a fee to be paid to offset the cost of adding the color to the Standard of Perfection.  I have already sent an e-mail to Sam Brush and Pat Horstman requesting the current amount of the fee and have been waiting a couple days for an answer.

I would imagine we have enough money in the membership to cover these fees, but I have to get final word from the BOD.

I am sure that any \"donations\" to the Club would be appreciated also.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on December 29, 2011, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: Jean
There is a fee to be paid to offset the cost of adding the color to the Standard of Perfection.  I have already sent an e-mail to Sam Brush and Pat Horstman requesting the current amount of the fee and have been waiting a couple days for an answer.

I would imagine we have enough money in the membership to cover these fees, but I have to get final word from the BOD.

I am sure that any \"donations\" to the Club would be appreciated also.


And what about the ABA?   Are we going for that as well?  It would be another fee.
Title: Splashes
Post by: FLFAmeraucanas on December 29, 2011, 10:08:07 PM
I\'ve been working with LF splash for a couple years now as well (they are a personal favorite of mine, even though not recognized).  My Blue/Splash pen currently hasa splash rooster, 2 splash pullets, a splash hen, a blue hen, and a couple blacks.  I\'m hoping to get to show some this year (depends on my work schedule and my son\'s schedule). I also have been working on Lav LF and will hopefully have some nice enough to take to a couple shows this year.  Not sure if that helps at all?  How much of an individual comitment does it take showing wise? I\'m a newbie...
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on December 30, 2011, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Mike Gilbert
Quote from: Jean
There is a fee to be paid to offset the cost of adding the color to the Standard of Perfection.  I have already sent an e-mail to Sam Brush and Pat Horstman requesting the current amount of the fee and have been waiting a couple days for an answer.

I would imagine we have enough money in the membership to cover these fees, but I have to get final word from the BOD.

I am sure that any \"donations\" to the Club would be appreciated also.


And what about the ABA?   Are we going for that as well?  It would be another fee.


Yes, for the splash variety.  I will have to contact them also. :)
Title: Splashes
Post by: far149 on December 30, 2011, 08:33:36 PM
Donations from Splash breeders to offset the club\'s expenses for getting the variety recognized is a good idea. Count me in when the time comes.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Tailfeathers on December 30, 2011, 10:06:03 PM
I do not currently have any SW\'s.  I can\'t even remember now what happened to the one SW Cockerel I had.  Didn\'t get any SW\'s last year even though I wanted to.  Or at least none of the chicks I kept turned out to be such.  Probably sold the only ones I hatched!

At any rate, I hope to get some this year.  If I can get me a nice SW male, I\'ll keep him for future breeding.  Probably same goes for the females too.  Since I\'m maintaining a closed flock and don\'t really want to breed brother to sister, I\'ll just have to build up my SW\'s as I can.

But I\'d certainly be willing to help out with getting them aproved.  I\'m quite fond of the SW\'s.  The males in particular.

God Bless,
Title: Splashes
Post by: Beth C on December 31, 2011, 09:29:51 AM
I can kick in some, too. Are we hoping to get both the splash & splash wheaten recognized at this time, or just the splash? I don\'t have any blue/splash but should have a fair number of splash wheatens this season, since a lot of my breeders are blue wheaten.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on December 31, 2011, 11:49:03 AM
I just received information back from the ABA, it is $250.00 or $500 for the fee and it is nonrefundable.  I am awaiting clarification of which fee is applicable.

The APA fee is $200.00 and is refundable.

I am thinking we are only going to try and get lavender and regular splash birds recognized for the time being.  Splash Wheaten, to my knowledge, is not recognized at all. I have not seen any shown in the past five years.

I am also awaiting conformation from Sam Brush on how we should be entering our non standard varieties correctly in shows.  I have always entered them under AOV - (insert color here)  and have been told this is incorrect.

Again, all final decisions will be made by the Board.  I am just thinking out loud.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Sharon Yorks on December 31, 2011, 03:32:08 PM
If you get both Lavender and Splash recognized, is it $200 each or a one time fee for both if both changes are made at the same time? Also, is there a problem with the APA paying the fee? If so, there may be enough people who would join together to help. It would only take around 10 people with $20 each. I will help.  --Sharon
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on December 31, 2011, 04:29:09 PM
I believe it\'s per variety, per size.  So LF splash would be $200.00 and bantams would be another $200.00 with the APA and another $250.00 with the ABA.
Title: Splashes
Post by: John on December 31, 2011, 06:22:47 PM
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I have always entered them under AOV - (insert color here) and have been told this is incorrect.

It is.  Just use the variety name when filling out entry forms.  The show secretaries may or may not include \"AOV\" on the coop cards, but that would be for their own information and is never part of the variety name.  When in doubt, just check the standard for correct spellings and proper variety names.  Don\'t write \"self black\" if the variety is \"black\".  Keep it simple and don\'t add any extra descriptive words that aren\'t required. ;)
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on December 31, 2011, 06:28:13 PM
I\'ve seen judges skip birds - mark them NSB/NSV (no such breed or variety) and wondered what I could do to make sure that doesn\'t happen.

This would also be a problem when showing lavender, because it is not in any standard.  I could see an ABA judge DQing all of them out of spite.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Tailfeathers on January 01, 2012, 12:14:51 AM
Quote from: Jean
I am thinking we are only going to try and get lavender and regular splash birds recognized for the time being.  Splash Wheaten, to my knowledge, is not recognized at all. I have not seen any shown in the past five years.

Again, all final decisions will be made by the Board.  I am just thinking out loud.


Understood.  I\'m just wondering though how many folks have an interest in seeing a SW get approved?  

To me, it seems like it would be as easy if not easier to get a SW approved as it would a Splash since the coloration is basically all we\'re talking about here and the coloration on both the male and female SW is pretty consistent.

God Bless,
Title: Splashes
Post by: Schroeder on January 01, 2012, 09:45:02 AM
Could someone add Splash and SW pictures to the Photos page?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on January 01, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
We could use upgrades to quite a few of the photos at our photo link.   For example, Jerry DeSmidt showed a beautiful blue bantam cockerel with good lacing at Indianapolis.  Did anybody get a good photo of him?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Paul on January 02, 2012, 08:58:53 AM
We are willing to contribute to the recognition fees funds.

Finally all our breeding pens for 2012 are completed.  There are 3 pens with splash to splash and 2 pens of blue to blue-so there should be plenty splash chicks here this time.
Title: Splashes
Post by: crystalcreek on January 02, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: paul
We are willing to contribute to the recognition fees funds.



We can too.  
Title: Splashes
Post by: jwoodhaven on January 02, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
We would kick in also
Title: Splashes
Post by: Tailfeathers on January 02, 2012, 11:28:51 PM
Me too if for SW.

God Bless,
Title: Splashes
Post by: jwoodhaven on January 03, 2012, 08:37:51 AM
I may be mistaken on this but  I think you should go for the APA and ABA.  Only recognized colors can move ahead at a show,meaning they can make it all the way to the winners circle.  Unrecognized colors can only go as far as BV.  This can cause problems where the show is both APA and ABA approved.If they are recognized by the APA, there is no problem. If not recognized by the ABA, it will cause some judging problems.
This happened a few years ago at a show in CA.  Mandarain duck was made show champion.  They are recognized by the ABA and not APA. Dont remember what was exactly done but the show mgmt did figure something out.
So as to eliminate judging confusion, I think they should be both done at the same time.
Title: Splashes
Post by: OldChurchEggery on January 03, 2012, 08:50:06 AM
I\'d like to see the splashes recognized. I don\'t have any splash Ameraucanas, but I do raise splash Jersey Giants. They haven\'t been recognized yet, either though the color is lovely. Maybe in a few generations I\'ll have some splash Ameraucanas since I do have blacks and blues now.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Birch Run Farm on January 07, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
I\'m all for all of the splashes as well.  

I have BW and wheaten birds. The splashes are really beautiful, since they breed \'true\' they should be allowed!!!!
Title: Splashes
Post by: Sharon Yorks on February 08, 2012, 05:40:57 PM
Any new word on Splashes being recognized? Are we just waiting on a particular person/people to make up their mind or any other issues that may be holding up a decision? Just curious.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on February 08, 2012, 05:47:05 PM
Maybe we should do a survey as to who would be willing to show splashes, large and/or bantam, at the APA National Meet in Lucasville, Ohio, this October.  We could designate it as a qualifying meet.    I should be able to show pullets and cockerels in bantams, but no large fowl.  I would qualify for the five year rule.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Tailfeathers on February 08, 2012, 10:35:13 PM
I would be willing to show LF SW but I won\'t qualify for the 5-year rule until next year.

God Bless,
Title: Splashes
Post by: Sharon Yorks on February 09, 2012, 09:13:28 PM
I could probably take and show a pullet and cockerel, and maybe even a hen, but I wouldn\'t qualify for the 5-year rule either. What is necessary for that show to count as a qualifying meet?

Sharon
Title: Splashes
Post by: FLFAmeraucanas on February 09, 2012, 10:29:38 PM
I am saving every splash I hatch to grow out, and that show isn\'t to far from us, so I should be able to help.  How do they count being a breeder for 5 years?  I mean, I hatched my first splash out from shipped eggs about 4.5 years ago, and have had a few around ever since.  In fact, I still have that hen, she is a personal favorite. Would that count?  Is there some sort of special paper work?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Don on February 09, 2012, 11:11:51 PM
We might be able to contribute a few splash bantams and Maybe a few SW LF if all goes well.  Lucasville is usually a great show, though we have not been in several years.  We can not help with the 5 year history though.

BTW, we are new to the forum although have been reading and trying to learn what we can.      
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on February 10, 2012, 10:05:12 AM
Paperwork on this subject still has to be fileld out and a membership check needs to be done to see if we have the five breeders for five years on both the LF and bantam.

The show will be chosen by the APA and ABA if I remember correctly.

At this time it looks like we may be waiting another year on the lavenders because of the breeder requirements.

This is kind of a long process, so don\'t jump the gun.

The other thing I would like to point out that was pointed out to me is that the lavenders are not being shown.  If you breed lavenders please show them!!!!!!!
Title: Splashes
Post by: Beth C on February 10, 2012, 01:02:54 PM
Hi Don! Glad to see you posting!


Quote from: FLFAmeraucanas
How do they count being a breeder for 5 years?  I mean, I hatched my first splash out from shipped eggs about 4.5 years ago, and have had a few around ever since.


Good point - if you started with eggs or chicks, you acquired the variety 6 months to a year before you were actually breeding them. Wouldn\'t make a difference in my case, but for some it might.
Title: Splashes
Post by: bantamhill on February 10, 2012, 03:34:48 PM
On the membership form I have switched to tracking pending varieties by first year raised. I have requested folks check that information and update it. When the decision is made to go for a qualifying meet we will go through the certification process for 5 breeders for 5 years. In the meantime folks need to be showing splash!!!!!!

Michael
Title: Splashes
Post by: WhichCame1st on April 29, 2012, 02:03:18 PM
I joined ABC last year but was pretty inactive. I have recently joined again this year and hope to be more active for the remainder of this year.

I\'ve scanned through this thread and could not find anything regarding what to expect for a splash standard to work toward. I am not in a position to help much (as we do not have shows near us & we cannot travel + I have not been breeding for 5 years); however, I would very much like to see the splash accepted & to start breeding toward the expected standard if at all possible.

How can I find out what tentative standard to work toward? Color of plumage, beak, legs, eyes, etc.? Disqualifying colors?
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on April 29, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Have you checked out the color descriptions for other breeds in which splash is already recognized?   I believe the Ameraucana standard for splash would have to be either very similar or identical.   The splash description should be in almost any ABA Standard, and even the APA has recognized splash Silkies since the year 2000.
Title: Splashes
Post by: WhichCame1st on April 29, 2012, 09:15:15 PM
So, I\'ve checked the APA SOP for Bearded Splash Silkie, pg 309 (don\'t have the ABA SOP). Is this what everyone is attempting to breed for in the Splash Ameraucana...??
Beak: leaden blue to black
Shanks & Toes: slaty blue, nails: horn to black
Plumage: slaty blue & white that has a faint bluish gray tinge. Blue in the feathers in the form of large irregular shaped blobs as distinct from V-shaped ticking. Main tail feathers & primary wing feathers with a lesser amount of blue than the rest of the plumage.
Undercolor of all sections: slaty blue & sooty white evenly distributed.

I\'m assuming the other attributes listed would not apply since they seem specific to the Silkie breed rather than Ameraucana (i.e., dark comb/wattle & skin color)
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on April 29, 2012, 10:45:12 PM
Other than the beak, it seems reasonable.  When the time comes I\'m pretty sure the ABC Board of Directors will develop a standard based on what they are seeing in the best Ameraucana splashes at the shows.  Until then, the existing SOP and personal preferences is all we have to go by.  Without checking I believe the ABA Standard gives a better, more detailed description, as they do for most color varieties.  
Title: Splashes
Post by: WhichCame1st on April 30, 2012, 12:53:59 AM
Thanks, Mike ~ so I\'m guessing your preference would be horn for beak color?  
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on April 30, 2012, 09:31:29 AM
Yes, streaked horn would be my preference, but my voice is only one among many so it matters little.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Jean on April 30, 2012, 03:11:37 PM
Mike,

That opens up another whole can of worms.....

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HORN:  A broad term commonly used in describing various shadings of color in the beak of some breeds of fowl, .....


What color is horn?  I have seen black horns, brown horns, silvery white horns, greyish white horns and carmel looking horns on cattle.

I have also seen all these colors on ameraucanas beaks.  Why are some of these terms so broad?????????

Looking at the beaks on my four splash birds outside in the breeding pen, I see streaked, I see splotchy and I see a silvery white with blue undertones.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on April 30, 2012, 06:00:12 PM
Quote from: Jean
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HORN:  A broad term commonly used in describing various shadings of color in the beak of some breeds of fowl, .....


What color is horn?  I have seen black horns, brown horns, silvery white horns, greyish white horns and carmel looking horns on cattle.


I think of \"horn\" as kind of an ivory color - an off white to very light tan/gray.
Title: Splashes
Post by: Don on April 30, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
The ABA definition of Horn:   .....ivory tinged gray of low saturation and low brilliance.