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Messages - Peggy Taylor

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I know the officers decided against approving or presenting or whatever the discussed change. However, after a discussion over the weekend regarding the change being considered on the Blue Wheaten male color I came home and dug out my APA and ABA Standards thinking I must have missed something important along the line regards this particular variety. Both standards clearly refer to "laced" not edged in the Blue Wheaten male.  The ONLY reference I can find to "edging" is on Page 8 of the APA SOP referring to some varieties of Rocks, Wyandottes, and Turkeys. No mention of shafting. I personally think this discussion is a waste of time and do not understand the reason for the issue in the first place. It is splitting hairs over two words....

I am quite sure neither the ABA Standard nor APA Standard are in any danger of changing in my forseeable future for such an insignificant issue.  Since those Standards are what we show to... those are what I will continue to try to breed to irregardless of how a  breed club votes.

There was some mention of this having something to do with research on the Splash wheaten males.  If so, it is a non issue with me. I have raised enough of the Splash Wheaten males...Bantams predominately...to see no issue with "laced", "edged" or shafting (or lack thereof which I will not use) of the base Blue Wheaten Males. I have four Bantam SpWh males right now that are as alike as peas in a pod in body color...no red ticking in the breast on three and only 1 or 2 small spots in the other...all sired by the same bird and out of different females. I can tell you right now that the Large Fowl and the Bantams are going to express color in the breast differently.  My large Fowl SpWh male is very heavily ticked in red on the breast although body color is identical to the bantams.  My original Blue Wheaten male was identical to my Bantam male in lacing and shafting. I have never used a Blue Wheaten male with red ticking in the breast. I will be breeding my second generation of Splash Wheatens ( from Splash Wheatens)this spring and will have a more solid handle on my own answers. At this time I see no revelence as regards the Splash Wheaten male to the issue being discussed.

You can "study" a subject to death but genetics being what they are....just as soon as you think you have found the answer you find out you know nothing. With untold numbers of possible gene pairings each time a cross is made anything is possible.  That's not to say that one should not research what they want to do but nothing takes the place of practical application in breeding and raising. You just start with the best you have and go from there, hoping you made good decisions

I will continue to use the ABA/APA SOPs as written until they change.  Any of the above is simply my opinion for what its worth.

Peggy





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I prefer neat lacing on the breast of my Blue Wheaten males in both Large Fowl and Bantams. I pretty much have it set in my males but I do see a lot of males without good lacing or with no lacing at all. I don't like the red/orange ticking in the breast. I don't have a problem with the ticking issue because I have bred away from it and culled for it from the start. I very seldom have a male with any red ticking at all.

I am simply going to keep my opinions to myself about why "needed changes" to standards are often presented.

I completely agree with Ernie about the issue of lacing in the Blue Ameraucanas

Peggy


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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: Exhibitor Points
« on: December 11, 2017, 04:43:30 PM »
Okay....I was trying to say THANK YOU to Susan and Temple for great work on a difficult job of recording show reports and compiling points.

Susan clarified the issue of CH and RCH in her post at the top of page 2.  Having said that I would like to stress that the word "intent" (since it has been mentioned several times in this discussion) causes more disturbance than any other little word I know.  It is subjective and open to interpretation from anyone.  I have already been through this issue (show points) as a board member with a much bigger association than ABC.  "Intent" does not cut it. A rule must be specific to its interpretation....easily and clearly understood by anyone that reads it.  I can't count the number of times I heard "Oh, but that was not the intention..." Intention does not matter. You can only enforce what you have "specifically" spelled out. I think the ABC "points" section of the site is very user friendly and understandable.

I, personally, do not see a problem with a CH and RCH at any meet as long as both large fowl and bantams are shown.  I would not have a problem if there were a specified number of each that had to be shown to trigger the CH and RCH. I also have not found a judge(s) to have a problem when asked to pick a CH and RCH. If there were separate judges for large fowl and bantams it was very informative to listen to their comments and evaluations as they reached their conclusion as to which would be #1.

Just my thoughts for what they are worth...

Peggy

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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: Exhibitor Points
« on: December 11, 2017, 03:52:33 PM »
First I have to extend a heartfelt THANK YOU

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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: How people learn from what they see
« on: December 08, 2017, 12:51:26 PM »
Excellent posts by both Ernie and Lindsay....

I try very hard not to be "barn blind" about my own birds. I am especially hard on males as they influence the whole breeding program. I might cut a female a little slack but not a male.  I am in agreement with LIndsay about that tight pea comb...its important to me. I see too many males with combs that are just "ugly". I dont let one judge's opinion on that day cause me to change my whole program and I have never been one to chase after the newest fad of anything....

There are some judges out there whose opinions I value highly.  I have no problem asking one of them what it was about my bird that did not suit them that day. Most of the time what they have to say is very constructive.  I appreciate a judge who has his copy of the standard in front of him ...especially with a breed he may not be real familiar with....and is not afraid to consult it.  To me it means he takes pride in trying to do a good job.

It's a learning experience every day. But I love my Bantam Ameraucanas !!!

Peggy


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Very very well said Susan.  I've seen the same issue in may avenues of livestock.

Peggy

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Well, I've been the same route as Ernie and came to the same conclusion.  Doesn't do any good to go round and round the same tree.  We can write that "novel" Ernie referred to but everything boils down to the fact that if judges do not adhere to every part of the standard as much as possible with their judging then its pretty meaningless anyway.

My primary focus is on the Bantams. I enjoy them.  My program with them has been working pretty well. So, I think I will just stay on the same track. However, there are some of the same issues beginning to show up with the Bantams as with the large fowl. I will be watching judges closely in the Bantam division and make my show decisions accordingly.

I won't be able to make it to Shawnee this week end but wish everyone good luck and sake travels.

Peggy

 

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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: ABA Awards
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:03:06 PM »
I really never had not thought about the ABA part of things even tho I have been an ABA member for a few years. I was having too much fun with the ABC part !  I was surprised to open their letter and see they had awarded him the starred wins.  After reading that, out of curiosity, I got to looking  back at my shows where I had hens be Best of Breed and realized a couple of them had missed those ABA 100 entry classes by just 3 to 5 birds. Oh well....its nice but we will just keep moving along with ABC , having fun and see what the show season this year provides....

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Exhibiting & Promoting / ABA Awards
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:04:40 AM »
I just recently received a pleasant surprise from ABA that my Blue Wheaten Bantam Cockerel that was Best of Breed at Ft Worth in January this year has earned himself two starred wins with ABA which are awarded by winning in classes of 100 or more.  (Just 18 more starred wins to go for Master Breeder :) .. right !)  Those 20 have to be won over a period of NOT LESS than 5 years.....probably not gonna happen with me !  So I am just going to continue to enjoy ABC and anything else that comes along will be a nice surprise......

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Yes.  That is a milestone that takes work and commitment to achieve....as do any of the other levels.  It deserves some type of recognition on the breeders directory....

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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: Ameraucanas vs. Easter Eggers?
« on: May 05, 2017, 10:14:21 AM »
Sarah got it right !   Solid, valid, strong points....

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News and Information / Re: 2017 Ameraucana Breeders Club Handbook
« on: February 22, 2017, 12:05:24 AM »
I have also asked for a half page ad and agree with Ernie that this is an excellent way for members to advertise and support our breed.

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News and Information / Re: Cover for the new 2017 Handbook finished!
« on: February 16, 2017, 01:25:57 PM »
The new handbook cover is awesome !  Great job Susan.....Thank you. 

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Ameraucana Marketplace / Brown Red Bantams
« on: February 13, 2017, 10:09:51 PM »
I am looking for some hatching eggs, chicks, or older juveniles in the Bantam Brown Red. They have to be from good stock bred to the Standard.

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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: Junior Master Exhibitor Awards!
« on: February 13, 2017, 10:04:39 PM »
Congratulations to all the Junior Master Exhibitors !! Great job.  The young ones are the future of the breed.....

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