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Exhibiting & Promoting / SE meets
« on: June 17, 2015, 09:34:07 AM »
We have meets set in most states for the fall but none called for Georgia yet. It's been a few years since I showed in the area so I am not sure about which shows are best attended.  Anyone want to foster a meet at your favorite show?   Just drop me a note and we can talk about the best place for the state meet. 

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Exhibiting & Promoting / Re: Better days ahead?
« on: June 15, 2015, 08:02:26 AM »
Gordon,  It is a difficult pill to swallow.  According to one source, Egg production has been reduced by 37 million hens and another source indicated this at 10% of the national flock. The price changes might be a bit much for this point in time? (one good thing is that the flocks can be replaced in the same barns by as little as 6 weeks)  And agriculture in many states is extremely important.  One source indicated that NC poultry is a 12 billion dollar industry creating 110,000 jobs.  The state Vets are trying to do a difficult job to protect the business community.  The vets do not understand how the poultry in the closed houses are being infected.  Options may be infected feed grain or the ventilation systems for the barns.  So even though NC has not documented an infection, they are cautious for this fall when waterfowl migrate south again.   
    We will miss the fall shows but maybe we can still make some progress this year in some of the varieties.  I did not raise as many as I wanted either.  But as you said this might be a good thing now.  Our dogs and cats may eat better than normally this year.  Our ban does not start until mid August, so we might be able to cautiously share stock locally until then.  Regardless All sources at this point indicate that all poultry products are safe when cooked properly.  So no more egg smoothies, Rocky.         
   Pray that this fall sees a decline in new cases and that we can go back to normal.

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Given that NC is the one of the 4 states that produces the most turkey and poultry I guess it makes some sense.  They mentioned in one of the news reports that the State AG folks were worried that the spread might increase as the waterfowl migrated south for the winter.  Still doesn't make if better, but it does make some sense. 

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Housing, Health & Hatching / Re: Building the Best Breeding Pens?
« on: June 09, 2015, 07:54:03 PM »
The plywood sizes can be modular in several configurations and the 2x4 materials will generally follow suit.
You can raise the bottom framing and provide a plywood lower level as well as the second level.  I use the rim board as the floor structure to save material. 

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Housing, Health & Hatching / Re: Building the Best Breeding Pens?
« on: June 09, 2015, 07:47:51 PM »
This might help if you want to look at these options.

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Housing, Health & Hatching / Re: Building the Best Breeding Pens?
« on: June 08, 2015, 11:08:48 PM »
One nice thing about the design in the link you posted, is that you can build it tall enough to walk in.  This would be really helpful if you wanted to build grow out pens  that were deeper than 4', and you can make them up to 8' deep using the plywood module and still be able to move it in the future if needed.

But if you decided to go with double level, you can build these any size to suit your need, LF vs bantam, breeding vs conditioning pens.  The 4x8 plywood is the easiest module.  So you can make the 2 pens 4' x 4' or 3 pens 2'-8" x 4', so on.   If 4' is too deep you can cut the plywood into thirds and make the pen 2'-8" deep.  Two of these sections would make a pen 2'8 x 8' long.  And the module can be duplicated for longer banks of pens, save lumber and roofing but still able to relocate.   

I am going to ask for some help posting the sketch because of size.

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News and Information / Re: AI issues in various states
« on: June 08, 2015, 11:02:46 AM »
Harry, I agree that the USPS is a typical government agency acting independently.  Unless they are given an directive from the USDA, they are not likely to change anything they normally do.  They are after all federal and exempt from state laws.   It seems to me that the states which have banned shows are more protective of their flocks/companies, and not as worried about what they might export to other states.  Seems like self interest, but until the USDA jumps in, its not likely to change.  And if and when they jump in, I am not sure that we will like what they decide.  We can only self regulate on own flocks and what we send or do not send to others.  That being said, I did have a State Vet team visit me many years ago because they found out through an airline that I had some birds shipped from another state.  So they may be slow to react, but they sometimes notice after the fact. 

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I think there was a good turn out for the auction at the national last year.  And I hope we will have space for another this year.  If we are going to have one, do we just let Paul know what we plan to donate?

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News and Information / Re: AI issues in various states
« on: June 03, 2015, 01:28:00 PM »
Sharon,   Sounds like a good idea.  Especially after Ohio and Indiana have canceled any kind of poultry gathering until what appears to be the end of the year.  Is it allowed to ship to and from the states that have banned shows? I am not sure of all the states that have done something similar? 

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Housing, Health & Hatching / Re: Building the Best Breeding Pens?
« on: May 31, 2015, 03:23:45 PM »
Courtney,  I have experimented with a lot of designs from tractors, dog kennels to hutch designs and they all seem to have pros and cons.  But, those are nice pens for a couple groups of birds.  The 4x8 module is a good start because of the material dimensions.  4x4 is good for a trio of LF or you can do a pair in a 4'x32" so you can get three pens in the 8' length.    I would add more overhang on the sides and maybe the front.  Also I would always have a solid wall along the ground up to approx 24" or so.  Even small dogs can go thru welded wire fabric or chicken wire if they really want it.  And I've had that happen a number of times thru the years.  One other option is to make it 2 levels, second level up about 4' off the ground.  You have to reach a bit to catch a bird once in a while. But you get four pens under the same roof.  Also IMO you might want to plan bigger.  Two pens are a drop in the bucket if you are at this for any length of time.  But you can make in 8' modules in case you have to move it down the road.  You might want to place paving stones, wire or an elec fence around the bottom to deter night diggers too.   

Its great if you can develop some individual pens too.  These are great for pair matings, conditioning, or letting a bird rest or recoup.  My hens need a rest during the breeding season from the males. LF are very rough on the females during the season.  He can have his own little cage for several days and visit a couple times a week if you are still hatching.  Or you can keep the hens in their own individual pens and rotate him from pen to pen.  You know for sure which hen is producing the best youngsters in pair matings.  Max posted a design for a bank of conditioning pens a year of so ago that seem to be working well. 
      http://ameraucanabreedersclub.org/forum/index.php/topic,2156.0.html

Roosts can be 2x4 lumber at about 24-36" and nests can be anything from buckets/landscape pots to a 10x12x12 tall box.  I have a few pens where I have a 12x32" board leaned into the corner for a nest.  Just a dark space where the eggs are protected during the day.  I use 1 gal cans for water and feed fastened to the wall near the door.  I get these from our church kitchen before they go to the trash, and they go to recycling when they begin looking old and rusty.   

I am hoping that Paul with get around to "breeding and grow out pens" with one of his installments later on.  I've been looking for pictures of his setup for a while. 

Our birds pretty much stay in most of their pens full time unless we can group the hens into Large summer/fall pens.  I have heard lots of folks that put all the cocks in the same pen for this period, but have never had the heart to watch them fight the first couple of days.   

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Breeding / Re: Comb Question
« on: May 23, 2015, 08:13:27 AM »
I know I have taken this off topic.  (Susan might want to split this into another thread.) You all did a great job on the building.  Additions do seem to be the norm every few years for poultry folks.  And Not many folks find time to go back and reconstruct earlier builds, cudos Susan.  I really like the big pens, looks like you could raise quite a few birds with this set up.  Our property is open and once in a while a neighborhood dog will come thru nosing around.  For this reason, we keep a heavier dog wire on the bottom of the cages as a precaution.  But having the smaller wire along the bottom keeps smaller animals (possums and racoons are out biggest problems) from reaching in to grab birds at night too. 

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News and Information / Re: Update on Clif Redden - Wonderful News!!
« on: May 22, 2015, 08:39:38 AM »
This sounds like Great News.  I hope the doctors can come to some agreement on the best approach. 
Clif, we will continue to pray for you and the Doctors.   Keep strong.

Thank you Susan for keeping us updated.

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Housing, Health & Hatching / Re: Over 2 decades of experience
« on: May 22, 2015, 08:36:50 AM »
Great article Paul and Angela.   There is a lot of information and I will come back to read it a couple more times to take it all in.  It sounds like you've been through quite a learning curve on thermostats.  Very Interesting.  Thanks for taking time to put this down for all to read.

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Breeding / Re: Comb Question
« on: May 21, 2015, 10:26:06 PM »
Brandy,  You can read a bit about comb genetics at the Sellers site.  He does look nice, how are the others from the same family?  Do they have good Pea combs?   Like Max said, you use the best you have.  You may have to raise more and select out of the youngsters and then keep good records to know which ones you want to breed together next year.  How is his weight?  And it may be the picture angle, and he is young.  His body looks pretty stout compared to his neck/head.  You can't tell his leg color very well in the pictures either.

http://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page2.html#t9       Comb genetics is about a third of the way down the page.
 
Also, the pens in the background look great.  Did you build these yourself, Any more pictures?   

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Clif,   We will be praying for you, your drs and your family.  I hope you have a quick recovery and feel better than ever.   

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