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The Official Forum of the Ameraucana Breeders Club => Breeding => Topic started by: Max on April 10, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
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I am wondering, when should you cull for duckfoot? Should it be as soon as they hatch or should you let them grow for a while and see if it straightens out?
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Can you post a picture of the one with the duckfoot?
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I have never seen it straighten out in my experience. I personally cull any and all chicks with DQ's of any sort. I do not even take them to the local poultry auction were they are mainly purchased for eating. That is were most my birds go when it becomes evident they are not up to my standards. Last thing I want is to have birds with DQ's end up in some ones backyard and into "there breeding program". I don't even list them as Ameraucana when I take them there to be auctioned.
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I'll give it one week and then they're gone... I don't think it will straighten out. I thought maybe it was just from being in the shell a little too long. Live and learn. (Cliché to increase one's knowledge by experience)
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I'll give it one week and then they're gone... I don't think it will straighten out. I thought maybe it was just from being in the shell a little too long. Live and learn. (Cliché to increase one's knowledge by experience)
Consider all things to be genetic until proven otherwise.
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Consider all things to be genetic until proven otherwise.
But if you cull so soon, how could one prove otherwise...just saying. Or I guess asking :)
If it's out of some of your best birds, I'd give it an extra week.
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I have plenty to choose from so anything that looks suspect or weak will have to go. It sounds harsh but I don't want to take any chances on continuing a noticeable defect.
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Couldn't have said it better Jerry, and live and learn is the right attitude. Anytime I can learn from somebody else's mistakes/experience I am all for it. Time is one thing a person can never get back so why waste it by making the same mistakes? Good thing about this club is all I have to do is follow the foot prints in the sand :D. Most the "Gurus" have done all the hard work in establishing what we have,
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Has it shown up before out of the same parents or any close relatives? Do you know who the parents are to that specific chick?
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They are all coming from the same pen. I'm getting about 1 in every 25 or so. There is no visual trace of it in the parents. I believe the cockerel is a carrier because he has produced these from different pullets. It's ashame to because he is really nice. :(
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Did you end up culling your cockerel Max? I ask because I think my duck foot carrier is my main cock bird too. He shows no visible signs of the deformity either, but seems to be the one throwing it to most of his offspring. I originally thought it was just coming from one pairing, though it appears I was wrong. I'm seeing duck foot in both genders as well. This sucks. :(
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If the parents don't show duck foot, then it is caused by one or more recessive genes. That means your male bird AND at least one female are carriers. Close relatives of the cock would be the most likely suspects.
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I still have him for now, until I have time to cull him and several others... Mike, I think your analysis is spot on. I removed the pullets which were the closest relation to the cockerel for the last three weeks of hatching. The remaining pullets were the ones I got from John. I did not get any chicks with duckfoot from the last three hatches. But, knowing that the cockerel is a carrier, I will cull him.
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Food for thought...like Mike said it is a recessive gene. You could keep him to test mate all the pullets individually to help eliminate any pullets that will have it before you cull him? You could even use him now with the hens you have to help find out which ones are the culprits. Then keep one of the hens (that have recessive gene) to test mate your cockerels to help eliminate any that carry it. I have noticed the same problem in my Silver Bantams and it seems to be the quickest way I have came up with to help eliminate it in them. Anybody that has a quicker method short of culling the whole flock I am open to suggestions? It kind of makes it hard when they are really nice birds :(, sometimes it seems I take two steps forward and one step back all in the same year lol
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Well, It's not too late for someone to change my mind for me... ;) Opinoins? Is he worth saving??
I have many of his offspring to choose from as a replacement if one turns out better than him.
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He's a really nice bird. I would use him to test for the gene in females, and maybe keep the best of his offspring with normal toes and feet out of those females who turn out not to be carriers. But ultimately it is your decision as you know better than anyone what your current needs are.
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Thanks, Mike. You may have just saved his life. Since I did not get any duckfoot chicks in the last three hatches, do you think that would be a sufficient test? There were only three pullets in with him during that time.
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Were all of the pullets laying? And how many chicks did you hatch from them? And how old are the chicks?
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Yes, all were laying. I have about 40 chicks combined from the last three hatches on May 5th, 12th, and 19th.
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Max, your black cockerel pictured is beautiful. I really like his shape and full breast. What does he weigh?
sometimes it seems I take two steps forward and one step back all in the same year lol
Yup. I like to think its all part of the intricate art of breeding for improvement. Sometimes you have to backtrack three steps to make one step forward...or so I keep telling myself. lol
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Yes, all were laying. I have about 40 chicks combined from the last three hatches on May 5th, 12th, and 19th.
If none of those chicks have or develop duckfoot later, you have some good stock to go forward with.
Duckfoot has not really been studied that much, as it has no commercial significance. My gut feeling is that it involves at least two recessive genes.
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What does he weigh?
Thanks for the compliments. He is around 6 pounds. I wish he had a little more tail...
Mike, thanks for your input and advice. :)
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Hi Max, I think your cockerel bird looks great! If your talking about the length of his tail it looks like a nice medium length.
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I meant to say cock bird my spell check put cockerel in.