Ameraucana Breeders Club
The Official Forum of the Ameraucana Breeders Club => Exhibiting & Promoting => Topic started by: greeneggsandham on August 14, 2012, 05:02:13 PM
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Do you have to be a member of the ABC or other club to show Ameraucanas at a meet?
I am trying to find out contact information for someone interested in showing at the Fayetteville, Ar meet in November. I went back to a previous post and after re-reading it I am wondering if one has to be a member of a club to show poultry?
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No. Anyone may show at any show that I know of. You only have to be a member of a breed club to be eligible for awards offered by that club (join before judging begins if interested).
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Thank you John. Regarding the meet in Fayetteville, AR in November, who would be the best person to contact for information on entering and showing if you are not a member?
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You would just enter your birds in the show. Below is the Club link.
http://www.hotopa.com/index.html
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There are 2 kinds of clubs to keep in mind when it comes to breeding and exhibiting.
"Breed clubs" like our ABC and local "show clubs" that put on APA sanctioned shows for those that are into exhibiting. Both have their place in the fancy.
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You would just enter your birds in the show. Below is the Club link.
http://www.hotopa.com/index.html
Thanks. Yes, I have been to that link but I do not see any information or links for entering the show or where the show will be held, etc. All that is there is a form to become a member of their association. So, I'm going to ask a stupid question here, how do you just "enter your birds"?
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Hi Greeneggsandham,
There are 2 shows being held in Fayetteville, ARK. on Nov. 3, 2012.
The first judging will be District Ameraucana Meet and the 2nd judging is Arkansas State Meet.
The information on the ABC meets were just sent to Jacob on Tuesday, Aug. 14. That's probably why there is no information on the website about the meets.
Jacob Bates is show secretary e-mail is: jakeab42@hotmail.com
We plan to attend the Arkansas meets. Hope to be able to meet you.
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Hi Greeneggsandham,
There are 2 shows being held in Fayetteville, ARK. on Nov. 3, 2012.
The first judging will be District Ameraucana Meet and the 2nd judging is Arkansas State Meet.
The information on the ABC meets were just sent to Jacob on Tuesday, Aug. 14. That's probably why there is no information on the website about the meets.
Jacob Bates is show secretary e-mail is: jakeab42@hotmail.com
We plan to attend the Arkansas meets. Hope to be able to meet you.
Well, now I am more confused. Are these two "shows" in the same building but put on by two different clubs or organizations? Do you choose which show you want to enter or do you pay the fee's to enter both or is it one fee? Is the show put on by the HOPOTA, the ABC or the APA?
I will likely attend the show, I just haven't decided if I want to enter a bird yet. My cockerals are still fairly young and I hate the thought of having to start vaccinating all these birds for whatever they would need to be vaccinated for? Unless people get to sell birds they exhibit? Also, do you have to have your own show cage or are cages provided? Anyway, I'm trying to get this info for a youngster who is interested in the shows and exhibiting some birds he raised.
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This website may help you with some of your questions. We're planning on being at the Arkansas show and hope to see you there.
http://www.poultryshowcentral.com/index.html
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Hi Greeneggsandham,
Let me help! It's one show-the Heart of the Ozarks Poultry Association which has two judgings by two sets of judges. There is only one entry fee which covers both judgings. Double judging just became popular several years ago. There use to be a four judged show in Oklahoma called the Okie 4 Pack. It was discontinued several years ago due to lack of help setting up and tearing down the show cages. We attended twice. Yes, the poultry shows furnish the show coops. Most of the shows have a special sales area that can be rented or you can usually sell out of your vehicle. In Texas, a person must be a part of the state registration program to sell any birds off their premises. We are not part of it-so we don't show much inside Texas anymore.
All chickens in the South part of the U.S. should have already been vaccinated for Pox-whether they are showing or not. Mosquitoes will bring the virus to birds without protection! We vaccinate our chicks at hatching for Marek's Disease. The entire flock is vaccinated for "LT" Laryngotracheitis when the last hatch gets 4 weeks old and again six weeks later. They are vaccinated for Pox three weeks after the first LT dose. The vaccinations are all finished as of August 11, 2012. Its quite a job vaccinating 400 head.
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Thanks Paul. That helped clear it up.
Well, all I have vaccinated for in the last two years is Mareks. As far as Pox, we don't have many mosquitoes up here(I am from the far south so I know how bad mosquitoes can get) and it has been very dry the last two years which has further hampered them. I haven't seen any evidence of it in my flock, unless I'm missing something, and I read don't introduce it with a vaccine unless you already have it. I haven't vaccinated for LT either, so I may just bring myself to the show unless the risk of transmission of these diseases is low?
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It's one show
Technically a double judged "show" would be two sanctioned meets by the APA and the show club pays for two, just as our local show club pays for two with both a spring and fall show. The two meets are two seperate events and some of us might call them seperate "shows" even though they are the same day. ;)
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Hi Greeneggsandham,
There is always a low risk of disease at any show. I use to think the Oklahoma/Kansas line was far enough North for the Pox vaccination. However that isn't even close to how far North the virus has spread. The LT is primarily a Northern winter time disease. Pennsylvania requires a bird to be vaccinated for LT before it can enter a show. Hope you will bring some to Sedalia and Fayetteville.
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Greeneggsandham,
If you want to see if you have mosquitoes, there is a simple trap that can be set to find out. Put about 2 inches of water in a 5 gallon bucket. Then put an empty gallon jug, like milk or tea comes in, inside the bucket. Place the bucket outside near your chicken pens. The next morning after the sun is well up, remove the jug and see how many mosquitoes fly out of the bucket.
Learned this one by accident! Left a bucket with a jug inside it out of the barn and it rained.
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Thanks Paul. I might do that. I know we get mosquitoes up here, I've seen them over the years, just haven't seen them the last two years much at all.
What do you watch for in Ameraucanas as far as symptoms of pox? I've seen pictures of chickens with pox, but those chickens have huge combs and wattles where you can see the effects. That's not the case with Ameraucanas, so what would we be looking for?
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Here in Wisconsin we don't have to check for mosquitos. We don't look for them, they find us. But we have very little problem with pox. I wonder if once they contract it and recover, do they pass on immunity through the egg? Too lazy to look it up, just thought someone here would know.
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Here is a pretty good article regarding Avian Pox: http://msucares.com/poultry/diseases/disviral.htm
I don't see anything about transmitting through the egg, but it does state that:
"Recovered birds do not remain carriers."
So I would assume not.
Sharon
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BUT...This article: http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/204801.htm
Says: Some affected birds may become carriers, and the disease may be reactivated by stress (eg, moulting) or by immunosuppression due to other infections. The disease tends to persist for extended periods in multiple-age poultry complexes.
Who ya gonna believe? :o
I'll have to keep looking.
Sharon
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Ameraucanas get the white scabie sores on their combs and face just like other breeds.
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Here are a couple of quotes worth passing along:
"The good Lord didn't create anything without a purpose, but mosquitoes come close."
"Many folks want to serve God, but only in an advisory capacity."
"Quit griping about your Church; if it was perfect you couldn't belong."
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You'll see the same type of sores on the pea comb and facial area. Just a little harder to detect on birds who don't have large combs and wattles. I had a couple of cockerels come up with it back in January. They both had the dry pox version and recovered fairly quickly. Vaccinated my two flocks (they're located about 8 miles apart) and haven't had any issues since.
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Well, thanks everybody for the replies and answers. I contacted the show secretary and now find out I have to have my birds pullorum and typhoid tested or NPIP certified with proof of testing before I can enter them for show. Is this just a requirement of this poultry association or is this the general rule for showing in Arkansas? Is this a requirement at all the other shows I see people in here advertise about? I don't think all those kids get their birds tested at the county fair that is held every year, so I am wondering. I don't want to mess with a bunch of government reg. every year regarding certification and I don't know who to call to get my entries tested by a private individual or what the cost would even be. Or do they have to test all your birds if you call them out? What a bummer. I was getting a little excited about entering a couple of birds. :'(
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I have to have my birds pullorum and typhoid tested or NPIP certified with proof of testing before I can enter them for show.
That is a the rule at most poultry shows that I know of and is required by the states with some variation from state to state. Pullorum and typhoid are tested together, so it is one test requiring a drop of blood.
Our only remaining poultry show in Michigan has volunteer pullorum testers to test birds that need it at the door before cooping in with a $1 per bird suggested donation.
We always encourage everyone to have their birds tested before the show to avoid long testing lines at the show. In this case you would send in a copy of the test paper(s) with your entry form.
Some of us that have NPIP flocks just write our flock number on the entry forms. Mine is #34-208. The "34" designates Michigan and my flock was the 208th registered/certified.
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Sometimes if you purchased chicks or hatching eggs from a NPIP certified flock you can use the VS9-3 form that comes with your birds to bypass retesting.
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Well, that's not an option in my case. The form says there will be no testing at the show and even though my original eggs came from a breeder here, I had and bred from them too many years for them to be considered anything other than mine now. Not sure what to do now.
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Not sure what to do now.
Ask members of that show club or fanciers that you know that exhibit at that show. Someone should be able to get you lined up with a certified tester to get the job done.
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Well, I found a tester online and went ahead and had the birds I'm bringing tested. So I'm about ready to go!
I'm fairly excited about it and can't wait to see what other real Ameraucanas look like up close!
Can anyone tell me if I need to provide bedding or feeder cups? I assume you bring your own feed, water?
And I noticed something about a silent auction. What is that about and what makes it silent?
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Most shows put shavings in the cages and provide small plastic cups for feed and water. We bring feed and water that the chickens are use to. We have cups designed to hang on the cages.
A silent auction is where you have items on a table with a sheet in front of the items to sign your name and the bid you want to make. They usually have a starting bid wrote on the sheet. They will close the bid at a certain time the item will go to the highest bidder.
Looking forward to seeing everyone.
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Most shows put shavings in the cages and provide small plastic cups for feed and water.
I haven't seen a show provide feed cups, only water cups. The show supplies both feed and water and it should state in the show rules that feed is provided. Most folks put the feed in the show coops on the floor for the birds to eat. Some of us frown upon leaving your personal items in the show coops while judging is going on, since it can give a judge a hint as to the bird's owner.
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Hmmm...well I guess I better ask someone. I couldn't find anything in the show booklet that addressed those questions. It does say APA and ABA rules will govern the judging of the show, but I am not familiar with those rules. Anything I should know regarding that?
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The show's show catalog (aka premium book) and/or website should contain a page of rules. Check out page 3 of this link for the Fowl Fest rules as an example...
http://fowlfest.org/Fall%202012%20Show%20Catalog-web%20R4.pdf
"Real" poultry shows are sanctioned by the APA and generally also the ABA, so their rules also apply and are to be posted at the show as I recall.
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Well my computer didn't like that download, it froze on me. I checked the online catalog, it wasn't different from what I received.
I do have a question regarding the entry form. Ameraucanas are considered bearded, non crested and single comb, right? Also, do they usually require a double coop or single?
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Ameraucanas are considered bearded, non crested and single comb, right?
None of that matters with Ameraucanas and other breeds that aren't recognized with alternate traits, like bearded/non bearded & single comb/rosecomb. See reply #1 on this topic...
http://ameraucana.org/forum/index.php?topic=1896.msg13663#msg13663
Also, do they usually require a double coop or single?
Single. Generally only males of extra heavy breeds like Brahmas use double coops, but our "Majestic ones" (aka Ameraucanas) don't. ;)
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I do have a question regarding the entry form. Ameraucanas are considered bearded, non crested and single comb, right?
They better not be single comb or you are looking at a D.Q. They are pea combed and the judges know that.
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Ameraucanas are considered bearded, non crested and single comb, right?
None of that matters with Ameraucanas and other breeds that aren't recognized with alternate traits, like bearded/non bearded & single comb/rosecomb. See reply #1 on this topic...
http://ameraucana.org/forum/index.php?topic=1896.msg13663#msg13663
Also, do they usually require a double coop or single?
Single. Generally only males of extra heavy breeds like Brahmas use double coops, but our "Majestic ones" (aka Ameraucanas) don't. ;)
OK. So under Breed and Variety where it says to list if single or rose comb, bearded or non, I would simply put "Ameraucana Black bearded" and nothing else? Or just Ameraucana Black?
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I do have a question regarding the entry form. Ameraucanas are considered bearded, non crested and single comb, right?
They better not be single comb or you are looking at a D.Q. They are pea combed and the judges know that.
Well I know they are pea comb. I was afraid it was a stupid question. :o
They just didn't have it as an option so I wondered if it was also considered single.
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Or just Ameraucana Black?
Yes. :)
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Entries close on Tuesday, Oct. 16, for Fayetteville, Arkansas.
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Well, I got my birds dropped off at the meet. Waited around to see Paul's birds but I guess I will have to wait until tommorrow.
I do have a question if someone can answer it in time for me. What do you do to stop your birds beards from getting soaked when they drink? I have one of my pullets that just drenches her beard when she drinks. The others are not quite as messy as she is. Do you bring hair dryers or something to dry them off before the judging? Or are wet beards taken into consideration? Never done this before, so I was just wondering.
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Sharon,
Water well the night before the show and do not water before judging. The bird can tolerate not having water for a few hours.
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Oh, thanks Jean. I was considering that. The judging is first thing this morning, so she may not dry out in time. I will remove the cups as soon as I get there.
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Well, I had a great time at my first show. I met some very friendly people, Paul, Angela and Matthew among them. Thank you Paul for all the tips you gave us and the information you shared.
Thank you Jean and Paul for your tips on my beard wetting pullet! :) She dried out in time and ended up winning Champion AOSB. That was 8).
Thanks, again! I hope to attend another in the future.