Ameraucana Breeders Club
The Official Forum of the Ameraucana Breeders Club => Exhibiting & Promoting => Topic started by: Mike Gilbert on November 07, 2013, 08:41:46 AM
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John, what would you think of putting this picture on the website to represent the ideal black female in place of whatever is there now? I think many of the current pictures could be replaced with better ones that are more representative of the breed. It could be done over time as good/better photos come in from the shows.
http://ameraucana.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2165.0;attach=3435;image
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what would you think of putting this picture on the website to represent the ideal black female in place of whatever is there now?
Great idea. It didn't cross my mind, so let me know when you see better ones to use.
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Don't you think a picture of Clif's cockerel would be a nice replacement for the one on the website? He has a much nicer comb.
He still lacks that nicely rounded front end, comb could be smaller, and the tail is plenty long. Not a bad bird at all, but not one I would recommend putting up as representing the breed on the website.
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Don't you think a picture of Clif's cockerel would be a nice replacement for the one on the website? He has a much nicer comb.
He still lacks that nicely rounded front end, comb could be smaller, and the tail is plenty long. Not a bad bird at all, but not one I would recommend putting up as representing the breed on the website.
Are you looking at his champion or reserve? The champ bird is turned so I can't see his front, but his comb looks small to me. The pics really don't do justice to some of these birds. Lighting, birds not posing, etc. They are nice birds. All the cockerals I saw of Clifs have small combs, smaller than I have ever seen. Granted, I haven't been around as much, but if his male combs get much smaller, you will have to wait four months to figure out if you have a male or female on your hands!
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Sharon, this is the black male I was referring to. The photo of the other black male is much better; I did not even see him at first. He is quite nice, and very well conditioned.
http://ameraucana.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2165.0;attach=3405;image
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a picture of Clif's cockerel would be a nice replacement for the one on the website?
Done
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John, thanks for replacing the blue female photo as well. This new one from the Heart of the Ozarks show is a much better pose, and has more dark edging as well. She also has nice Ameraucana overall type. Not too heavy looking, not too Mediterranean- like.
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Do you think either of these would work for the blue male picture?
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I like the top photo. Nice full, rounded front, good head, good wing carriage, maybe a little low in the tail, but over all I would say much better than what is on the site now.
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I suggest we replace the pictures of the LF's blue male, buff male, white female, & white male with the pictures shown below. They are better than what is up there now and we can always replace them again if something better presents itself.
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The white male and the buff male are the same pictures from the ohio national thread?
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Yes. They are the same pictures. It only seemed logical that if Matt Parker's white birds are winning so much, they should be the pictures representing the white variety...depending on if my picture taken ability gets good shots of them, of course. But, either way, (IMO) those pictures are better than the ones up there now.
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Agree on the blue male and Buff male. There is a better photo of the white female on the Ohio National thread. I don't see this white male photo as much of an upgrade over what we have now. We need a better photo angle for that one, a side profile shot. John has been busy upgrading many of the photos already - take a look.
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Maybe this would be sort of a slippery slope, but what if we had a photo section of some of the proposed projects? Like examples of of a correct splash, splash wheaten, lavender? To help give newbies an idea of what these projects should look like, and trying to encourage more people to show/ help get them recognized. You could even do a shoot off into some of the less established projects to try and attracted more people? I know that is a touchy subject. Just a thought I had.
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what if we had a photo section of some of the proposed projects?
I think that is something that could be done here on the forum with a topic heading that asks for photos only or photos and critique. It could be pinned, if there is enough interest.
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John,
Could you please replace the photos of the blue male and the buff male that are up on the website with the two I listed (reply #9) in this thread. The ones on the website now are very poor representations of what those varieties should look like.
Thanks!
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please replace the photos
Boy, am I a good boy or what? (no answer required ;D)
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Could you please double check those photos? Blue is on his nose and buff is missing.
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Blue is on his nose and buff is missing.
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John,
Do you know why my buff pullet was removed and the current picture placed there? The picture is of very poor quality. The bird's head almost disappears like an optical illusion.
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Do you know why my buff pullet was removed and the current picture placed there?
Sure. For the same reason I made all the other changes...someone said a photo was better than what was there, like you are saying now. I didn't make any of the decisions, but if you email the photo of the bird you want there I will decide between the two. Or you can post both here and ask for input.
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I just checked, and the buff that is up there right now is far and away the best photo of a buff female I have seen. The color is superb, and the type is very good, although the tail may be a bit high. Yes, the head is somewhat obscured, but that is a minor point compared to the overall quality of the photo. I would recommend leaving it until something better becomes available - which may be some time.
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John, what was that old saying "You can't please all the people all of the time, just some of the people some of the time." Sometimes doing your best turns into a thankless job! I think personally you are doing a great job and really are an asset and backbone of the ABC. Thank you for your dedication and hard work you do behind the scene.
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Current photo
(http://ameraucana.org/scrapbook_files/lfbufff.jpg)
my old photo
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Jean,
They are both very nice looking buffs and we all know how difficult it is to get them to pose and get that perfect photo. The first impression I get looking at both is that the top bird is showing more leg/shank and that makes the bottom one appear more (too) fluffy.
What you others think?
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The legs do appear shorter on my bird, but I believe it is because of the way she was standing. She was Reserve of Show in that photo.
My eyes just tweek out when I look at the other photo because of the way the head seems to disappear.
I do believe we need to see if we can get a better photo in the future.
But which ever bird you decide to keep on the forum is up to you since you are maintaining it. I was just curious when I looked at the photos when this topic was brought up.
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From the APA Standard description of the Ameraucana female:
Back: Medium length, relatively broad, slightly elevated at shoulders.
Question: which bird is slightly elevated at the shoulders? Which one slopes up from front to back?
Tail: Carried at 45 degree angle above horizontal.
Question: which bird is closest to the 45 degrees? The one has a flat back and tail carriage like a Rock.
Both are fine birds, but I do believe the one is too fluffy and the other one is just about right. A person may or may not like the color depictions in the Standard, but they are darn close to correct according to the way the Standard was written. I did not say they were perfect.
A famous Polish Breeder once said, "We are breeding chickens that have crests, not crests that have some sort of chicken attached." I had to laugh when I read that. I think we have to apply the same logic when it comes to muffs and beards in our Ameraucanas. There are almost as many judges opinions on what is correct type for Ameraucana as there are judges I suppose. It is up to us to get it right.
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Well put Mike.
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Both are fine birds,
Sometimes it is just the pose when it comes to photos. If we were to judge both birds in hand we may judge differently.