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The Official Forum of the Ameraucana Breeders Club => Ameraucana Marketplace => Topic started by: Korfus Kluckers on August 20, 2008, 10:05:01 PM
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I was wondering if anyone was still working on the splashes to get them recognized by APA? I was taking on another group and the standard for splashes came up. Has anyone worked on writing a draft for the standards? I noticed the discussion on here in the achieves and though I\'d ask.
Thanks,
Christina
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No push right now that I know of, but it could be done almost anytime enough members want to go for it. It takes five people who have bred them at least five years the last time I checked who are willing to bear the costs of travel to show them at qualifying meet(s). Splashes are easily produced by mating blue to blue. When it happens, both large and bantam should be qualified simultaneously IMO. A quick check of my 1998 version of the APA Standard of Perfection
did not turn up any breeds with the Splash variety, though I didn\'t do a real thorough search. This seems to indicate the A.P.A. is probably not real interested in admitting splash varieties. I don\'t see them as much of a challenge to produce, but they can be useful as breeders when mated with blacks to produce 100% blue progeny.
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Well, I have a few now and do plan on working with them. All mine have light slate legs. Some people have mentioned breeding birds in with light legs and from the pictures I have seen light eyes too. I\'ve looked threw the whole Standard and no Splashes.
From you experienced breeders what do you breed in as far as leg colour? Myself, I prefer the light slate legs. I think it looks good on the birds. They dont really look right with the white legs IMO. :stare:
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No Ameraucana variety has white legs. White Ameraucanas generally have a nice medium to dark slate leg, though years ago we used to get a lot of bantams with light slate. I think that has generally been pretty much been bred out of them. The dark provides a better contrast, and a white bird with red comb and slate legs has a very nice appearance.
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Christina:
The American Bantam Association (ABA) has a splash variety description and I have always assumed that would be the one to use since it already exists.
Michael
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Where can I find that? Is it in the 1998 Standard?
Thanks~
Christina
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Any edition of the standard published by the American Bantam Association.
The ABA, as opposed to the APA, describes many more color varieties in a seperate section near the end of the book.
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Thanks Mike and Micheal. I\'ll go and find one.
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Christina:
I am using the 1998 version of the ABA Standard.
I started collecting on the membership form when folks renew what new varieties they are working on and for how long have they been working on. Based on the information I have in two years we could have a qualifying meet for splash in bantam and large fowl.
Michael
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Christina:
Based on the information I have in two years we could have a qualifying meet for splash in bantam and large fowl.
Michael
How exciting! Michael, thanks for going to the extra effort to organize this info.
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Thanks Micheal for looking. I hope the Splash does get in the Standard. I\'ll keep working on mine till then.
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qualifying meet(s).
Please remind me what makes a meet a qualifying meet
I don\'t see them as much of a challenge to produce
IMO, having them recognized is a given - they already exist as a by-product of other recognized varieties I personally think the splash wheatens are beautiful birds and many times have better type than the wheatens/blue wheatens. I can\'t comment much on the splashes, as I\'ve only seen a few females at shows and never a male.
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Keep in mind we are talking A.P.A., not A.B.A., and the A.P.A. currently recognizes NO splash or splash wheaten varieties.
The A.B.A. has always been more progressive and open to change, while the A.P.A. seems to be more interested in promoting the old time breeds and varieties. The fact that they are not much of a challenge to produce, I think, works against us insofar as A.P.A. recognition is concerned. Do others of you see it differently?
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Hi Everybody!
I just happened to stop by the site tonight and saw the post. Wanted to let y\'all know that I\'ll be working on Spash Wheatens as I have Blue Wheaten and Wheatens and I think the Splash Wheaten Rooster is an absolutely BEE-U-TEE-FULL bird!
It\'s gonna be about 5 years though before I can say I\'ve been breeding for 5 years.
I\'m taking a Trio of Blue Wheatens and a Trio of Wheatens to the Evergreen State Fair tomorrow. It will be the first time I\'ve shown my Ameraucanas. I\'m gonna look all the birds over really good one more time tonight but I think I\'ve got the best three of each picked out. I\'m still a novice but I\'m gonna do my best to represent the breed and variety.
God Bless,
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Tailfeathers, Good for you helping expose more people to quality Ameraucanas! Best wishes--Let us know how they do.
:)
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You can mark me down as a splash breeder for the count. I have had a few all along as the obvious result of blue to blue breeding. I even have some sort of splash/gold going on.
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Lyne,
Could you post pics.
Tim
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Tim, I assume you mean the splash/gold. I will have to take some photos. I\'ll aim for next weekend. I\'ve been culling them so most of them are scattered amongst Easter Egg flocks in my area. I do have a few still here (no bantams).
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I am a member of both Marans and Blue laced red Wyandotte breeders.
We were told, that in order to qualify for a \"qualifying meet\" to introduce a new variety/breed to the APA, we needed proof of a minimum of 5 breeders who have been breding for 5 years, and showing for the last 2. The showing part involved showing a minimum of a young trio (under a year old) and an older trio (older than 1 year) per show.
Hope this helps.
Sue
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Here is a photo of some splash goldish birds. I\'m not sure what\'s going on with the gold. There are splash laced red wyandottes, but I don\'t know if gold can lace a splash. Of course, it can lace blue.
Anyway, I\'ve been culling them as messy splashes. I might keep these and see what happens with them.
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Looks to me like they are splash with some diluted autosomal red superimposed in certain areas. They could be something like a brown-red (Birchen e-locus) to which two doses of Bl (blue) is added. Bl would lighten but not eliminate the red like recessive white would. There is probably at least one other gene involved, possibly Dilute (DI). If they resulted from blue crossed with your large fowl black gold project birds I would bet that is what these are. If so, they should breed pretty true to what the pictures look like.
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Those are some pretty birds bryngyld!
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What does splash get when crossed on white?
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I will assume you are asking about Ameraucanas, where the white is caused by the recessive white gene. The answer could be different where white is caused by dominant white.
Anyway, it will depend on what genetics are being carried \"under\" the two copies of recessive white. It is pretty safe to say you would get chicks that are partly blue or perhaps even entirely blue. If the splash parent carries one copy of recessive white, you would get some all-white birds.
The short answer: it depends.
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Thanks. The whites I have probably came from a hatchery and are pure white with muffs and beards and pea combs but green shanks. They have not started laying yet. The only purebreds I have are the blacks I just picked up from Paul. I was just wondering, if I ended up wanting to put a rooster in amongst them... either blue or splash... what would come out of the other color hens. I have a couple other hatchery hens who seem to fit the silver and brown-red types. I would like to learn more about color genetics, but it\'s so complicated!