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Exhibiting & Promoting / Pet Carriers / Show Boxes
« Last post by Lindsay Helton on August 16, 2019, 11:21:50 AM »
Sharing a link for these pet carriers because I love to use them for shows and they are fairly cost effective. They come in a set of 12 and are perfect for large fowl pullets or hens. I actually prefer them over the wooden show boxes I have for hens because they are lighter weight, less bulky, and I can put a label on each box with info pertaining to the pullet/hen that it contains. If you worry about picking up germs at shows, the carriers can be burned afterwards. I still prefer the larger wooden show boxes for cockerels.  :)
Breeding / Re: indistinct barring in self-blues
« Last post by Lindsay Helton on August 16, 2019, 10:52:18 AM »
You’re welcome! Happy to help!

“Fretting” was the term that I was looking for to describe what you are seeing yesterday, but I couldn’t quite pull it out of my hat. I have been up with a teething 10 month old this week so I am low on sleep. Lol! :) I updated my post above to include info on fretting.

I think you can safely breed self blue x self blue if the quality of your grow outs is good. As they reach sexual maturity, if you find that you are struggling with frayed feathers (otherwise known as “ratty tail” if you do an internet search), out-crossing to a black with good feather quality will be of help. Continually selecting away from birds with frayed feathers will eventually break the cycle of frayed feathers. That’s how self blue breeders in other countries have perfected their self blue flocks. Some years that may mean selecting down to a few trios or pairs, but that’s okay! It’s how we make the most progress in our programs. If you struggle with good type, out-crossing to a black with good type will help. Also, if the pullets lay eggs that are on the greenish spectrum, bringing in a black hen that lays a pretty blue egg, or even a cockerel that hatched from a pretty blue egg, will help perfect egg color. These are a few things that blacks are useful for with the self blues.

Good luck with your flock! If you have any questions along the way feel free to post them on the forum or send me a PM and I will try to be of help. If I don’t have an answer for a particular question, I can refer you to someone else or we can figure out the answer together. Take care!
Breeding / Re: indistinct barring in self-blues
« Last post by Maeg Yosef on August 16, 2019, 06:38:04 AM »

Thank you so much for taking the time to give me such an informative and thoughtful reply! The birds in the photo are 3 months old, but I'm starting to see this in a few of the younger grow outs as well, so I'm glad to know it's not a total deal breaker! All of our birds are wing banded and I'm taking notes, so I'll see how they develop with the ticking along with everything else. I have the SOP book, which is great, and thank you for the reminder to build my barn first, lol. I also appreciate the links and will go check those out.

We only have self blues at the moment...should I also be sourcing some black Ameraucanas in order to have a quality program? Is breeding back to black a best/standard practice?

Anyway...thank you again and have a great day!

I am going to try to make it to the National in Knoxville.
I am curious to know how many folks are making the trip to the National Show in Knoxville and/or the District Show in Shawnee?
Breeding / Re: indistinct barring in self-blues
« Last post by Lindsay Helton on August 14, 2019, 12:40:40 PM »
How old are they?

If I were you, unless it is significant, I would keep all of them for the time being. I would mark them via a leg band and make a note of what you are seeing in a record book. Reason being, they will go through several juvenile molts and you may find that what you are seeing improves as they develop their adult plumage. Or, it could become worse. Growing them all out also gives you the opportunity to see how the line you are working with develops. In my opinion it is always good to learn by experience, although kind of expensive when it comes to feed. Haha!

Some refer to what you are seeing as barring, others call it ticking, and others call it stress bars that result from feather growth, feed or conditioning. A few others think it is the result of an unknown modifier gene. I think it is most correctly termed “fretting,” not to be confused with “fraying” of the feathers. Maybe in time scientific research will give us a definitive answer.

Here are a few articles on the subject of fretting. I always read info found on the internet with a bit of apprehension unless it is the result of an actual scientific study. Unfortunately there is a lot of conflicting info out there! Selecting away from it is a good bet and a logical solution.

I raise all of my self blue birds under the exact same conditions and see variances of what you are seeing in different birds. Some have none of what you are seeing present, others have a very minimal amount, and others a moderate amount. I automatically cull for a moderate amount. My birds are very spoiled and I am sure yours as well, so I don’t necessarily think it occurs due to a nutritional deficiency. I raise our self blues on an endless supply of high quality feed and supplement them with healthy treats like cabbage. Perhaps it is a weakened portion of the feather that occurs during growth/development. I like to add a dollop of Red Cell to the waterers of our breeders for extra vitamins and nutrients, and I think I will do that with the self blue grow outs as well next spring to see if it makes any difference.

I don't believe it to be actual barring, as barring is referred to in the standard as (1) transverse markings of two distinct colors and regular in shape, (2) alternate colored crosswise markings caused by a recessive autosomal factor, or (3) defective coloration represented by transverse purple markings in blade feathers.

The American Poultry Journal, Volume 20 gives details regarding (3). I'll see if I can post a link. The Book of Poultry by McGrew also does. Oldies but goodies....some of the info within them may be outdated. :)

In (my) experience, it seems to occur more frequently with the use of blacks or splits. It could be that it is just how I am hitting the odds each season, but more birds out of my splits have it present than birds out of my self blue x self blue breeding pens. Self blue x Self blue typically produces the most consistent, uniform color. However, blacks are important for setting better type and also for ensuring the self blue cockerels are properly melanized. Perhaps some of the members with more breeding experience than me can chime in with their experience and knowledge regarding what you are seeing.

As the saying goes, you have to build the barn before you can paint it. When the grow outs develop their adult plumage, select and keep the ones with the best type and most uniform self blue color. There are no perfect birds out there. If you don't own the American Poultry Association SOP book, I highly recommend it as it goes into detail on defects and disqualifications. The proposed standard for self blue is on the ABC website, and there are many birds in the gallery section that display proper type. I am a visual learner, lol!

There are a host of other things to watch for and keep in mind with self blues, such as type, feather quality, combs, head width, body width, vigor, egg color etc so I would keep them all and then narrow down to the very best, culling for disqualifications along the way. Good luck on your program and keep us posted on how it comes along!

Here is an interesting study on how the self blue plumage is believed to be created.
Breeding / indistinct barring in self-blues
« Last post by Maeg Yosef on August 09, 2019, 05:40:30 PM »
Hi there,
I'm a newcomer to this forum and am happy to have found such a great source of information!

My wife and I are long time chicken keepers now becoming chicken breeders. We have some Self Blue Ameraucanas, and as they grow out, I am noticing several with what I think is indistinct barring (image attached), which I know is a there any chance that this could change after their juvenile molt? Would you send these birds right to the olive egger/laying hen coop, or take a chance breeding them if they are otherwise awesome? Would love your thoughts, thank you so much!

News and Information / Re: Surgery is scheduled - more updates :)
« Last post by Birdcrazy on August 06, 2019, 10:42:21 AM »
Thank you Susan for an update on your operation and recovery. It doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun! Our prayers are with you and the doctors to find the exact cause of your "episodes" and find a solution to eliminate them. It surely takes a strong willed person to run the gauntlet that you have done, but that's no surprise recounting your determination, expertise, and long grueling hours spent on projects for the betterment of the ABC during your time as ABC Secretary/Treasurer. I hope to see you at a fall show or two!
News and Information / Re: Surgery is scheduled - more updates :)
« Last post by Susan Mouw on August 06, 2019, 10:04:19 AM »
Just thought I'd post an update, for anyone interested.

The surgery went well, although lasting 6 hours, and I was in ICU for 3 days, instead of one.  It seems my body wasn't producing enough oxygen and I had to be on a respirator.  But once the oxygen levels came back up and I was moved into a private room, things progressed quickly.

The surgery was extensive, but we knew that going in.  They cut out about small saucer size (and shaped) hole into the side of my skull, just inside the hairline and above the ear on the right side.  They lifted the brain up, put five layers of "patchwork" over the 4.5mm x 6.5mm gap in my brain pan, trimmed off the already-dead herniated brain tissue, set everything back in place and sewed me up.

One of my hopes is that these "episodes" I've been having since Jan/18 would also be resolved with this surgery and that hope held fast until about 4 weeks after the surgery, when I had one.  I've had a couple since then; the most recent this past Sunday where I lost about an hour.  The neurosurgeon now believes, combined with the low oxygen production following surgery, that I have some blockage somewhere in one of the major arteries and has requested a full cardio-vascular workup.  The scans for carotid and trans-cranial have been done and come back clear, so we'll see how this all progresses.  The various Drs have gone back and forth over the last year and half deciding what exactly these episodes are, with some calling them focal seizures and others deciding they must be TIAs (transient ischema attacks).  The neurosurgeon that participated in my surgery (there were 2 surgeons - neuro and oto (ear)), has eliminated the possibility of these being focal seizures and has determined they are TIAs, or mini-strokes.

My plan is to attend some shows this fall, especially the Ohio National.  We've worked so hard to come this far with the self-blue acceptance, it would give me great pleasure to see the grand finale.  I won't be bringing many birds - just a few, as that's about all I can manage these days - but I hope to see many of you there.
Ameraucana Marketplace / Re: Brown red bantams
« Last post by Husker2055 on August 01, 2019, 08:53:24 AM »
No I’m sorry we aren’t planning on any trips east. I haven’t tried to introduce a new variety yet.
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