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Brown Red Ameraucana Hen
bantamhill:
AmeraucanaMD,
I would suggest you go back and check with the orignial breeders concerning the cockerel\'s origins. If the bird does have the brown red blood then I would keep him. Do you have access to a black Ameraucana pullet or hen of excellent type? If you do I would put him with the black hen . . . if you do you will generate brown red\'s based on my experience with my black Ameraucana which come from Paul Smith and John Blehm.
I have been working on the self blue project with John and when I mated a self blue old english with a black large fowl Ameraucana I produced a excellent almost large fowl brown red pullet that I am pairing with a half brown red large fowl cockerel. If my suspicions are correct your cockerel may be essentially a Black Breasted Red which will throw some brown red if crossed with black of the correct background . . . it is a risk that may be worth it if the bird\'s breeding is really what you have been told it is.
Michael Muenks
Mike Gilbert:
I believe that if your rooster were a brown red / wheaten cross, he would not have the brown wing bay. That is because, according to Seller\'s website, Birchen is dominant over both forms of wheaten (dominant and recessive). If his mother was mostly black with red in the hackle, she was probably split at the e-locus for extended black and one of the wheatens. This male did not inherit the gene for extended black from either parent. My best guess is he is fully wheaten. You could test this by crossing him with a wheaten female. If all chicks are hatched white, off white, or white with a few dark spots on head and back, my guess is correct. If any of the chicks have primarily black chick down, your bird could be split for birchen. The combination of the birchen gene and the gold gene produce brown red color. Good luck! It is great to see someone your age into genetics. If any of us can help please let us know.
Guest:
Thanks. I do have a hen that is black (I breed blacks, whites and I have 3 varieties which I am working with that are not standard) that I can use for a cross. I do not have any wheatens to cross to though.
There was a breeder named Eric in the area about 5 or so years ago when I first got the blacks. He was in Severna Park MD area but now I cannot find any info on him. Is he a registered Ameraucana breeder? If not, I would still like to find a wheaton hen. I am quite curious as to the genetic makeup of this bird.
It is getting quite late, so I will resume pursuing this further tommorow. I am too tired to keep up! I have several excellent links for Red Pyle and Red Shoulder (and Red in general) on a Longtail website which I would like some criticism of (as to viability of information).
Guest:
The hen that you have at the top that is a cross with Black and white as well as the Red pyle hetero males are exactly like the results of a cross of a Wheaten OEGB male on two White ( Dom White) OEGB females that I did some years ago. I hatched out 42 offspring from the cross 22 females and 20 males. 15 of the 22 females were the same color as the female that you have posted, some with more flecking some with less. The others were poor colored Brown Red looking with no lacing and dark caps. 16 of the 20 males were the hetro or smutty colored pyle looking males...lots of flecking in them, the other 4 were again poor colored Brown Red looking birds no lacing and dark caps. I found it interesting that while all parents were white legged the \"psedo brown reds\" all had slate legs....not real dark but slate nonetheless. One of the grey flecked females had outstanding type and won several \"splash\" OEGB classes that year. LOL..... I only kept one male for breeding the following year to put back on a Wheaton OEGB hen but only hatched three eggs out, all of which were poor colored Pyle males.
A cross of a BB red male the next year on the same white females gave all hetero Red Pyles. Females with a little salmon on the breast but not near as smutty as the Wheaten cross and no psedo Brown Reds. I think that the Wheaten color cross has something to do with the birds having the grey flecked look... JMHO. Have a great day all.
Thurman.
Guest:
The leg color on the male of the first post looks willow to me as well.....And the wing color comfirms what is being said, as it is not crow winged......therefore not a brown red. Have a good day. Thurman.
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