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Brown Red Ameraucana Hen
John:
I\'m not saying he is a good wheaten. The hackle and saddle striping shouldn\'t be there and may lead you to think he looks a bit like a brown red, but the wings would be all black if he were. The red wing bay color means his pattern is closer to a wheaten, BB red, light brown, red pyle, etc.
Also, his legs do appear willow in the photo and it looks like a hint of yellow on his beak and that would go along with willow legs.
Please check out the APA Standard on page 196 and compare the patterns of the blue wheaten and brown red males. The Ameraucana brown red description is the same as Modern Game.
Guest:
I understand your statement (I have never been very good with Red factor genetics) but the parents of this bird were not wheatens unless by accident a wheaten cock was paired with a Brown Red hen, for the hen was of the very dark black color with reddish hackles (like copper marans). The person who gave this bird to me did not wish to part with either of the parents.
It may be that their cock was not what they thought it to be. Seeing their hen and recieving what they called a Brown Red I assumed that it was indeed a Brown Red.
The only Red Factor color with which I am familiar is the Red Pyle. This cock could be useful in the creation of further Red Pyles if he is indeed a Brown Red x Wheaten.
In the futue I think I\'ll stick to my Silver factor birds, whose genetics and appearance I am far more familiar with.
Mike Gilbert:
John is correct. Your bird is not a brown red. Brown reds do not have red or brown color in the wing bay (exposed portion of secondaries when wing is folded). He looks exactly like the poorly colored wheaten males (should not have striping in hackle) that I have seen hundreds of. It is possible he could be a light brown, like the leghorn, but that is not a standard color.
Mike Gilbert
Guest:
I\'m going to assume then that his mother and father must have been erroneously bred and that he is a Wheaten crossed to a Brown Red. I will include him within my Red Pyles as a backup, for this coloration is ideal for breeding to dominant white for f1 Red Pyles. My F2 Red Pyles are in need of outside blood (I do not wish for an F3 inbred generation). Also, the Red Pyles resembled Red Shoulders more at this point, for the original outcross was a White Ameraucana cock on a Brown Red hen (deceased). The original offspring lacked the desired coloring in the lower wing. Added offspring from an alternative Wheaten/white cross has reversed this in most of the birds. Most of these colors came from breeds outside that of Ameraucana, mainly Leghorn and Minorca, both white eggers from which blue can readily be reestablished as the egg color.
Also viable points are that if this bird is a Brown Red/Wheaten cross, when bred to the Pyle hens which lack the coloration on the lower wing primaries, a percentage of offspring should be Brown Red. I do not plan on extensively breeding more varieties at his point though, so he will be put on white hens this spring rather than bred to the Red Shoulders.
Guest:
What you get when you cross Dominant white onto a black Ameraucana:
This cross is extremely useful in creating true to type Red Pyles. Since both White and Black Ameraucanas are readily available (and pyles are not) it prevent further outcrossing to non Ameraucanas from being necessary. This hen was given to a neighbor because of the twisting in her comb and the lighter horn at the end of the beak.
A Red Pyle Cock made from Dominant white crosses. The comb is less than ideal because of the combination of pea comb and single comb genes, which results in the extension of the middle peacomb ridge to the point where it flops to one side due to uneven weight. Single comb, a recessive, should not be hard to breed out. I have a few individuals with peacombs that are just getting in their plumage. They are august hatch.:
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