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Silver Standard Description
bantamhill:
--- Quote from: Mike Gilbert ---Unless the A.B.A. has put in a change without my knowing it the Ameraucana standard still refers to \"Silver\" not Silver Duckwing. The latest version I have is the 1997 looseleaf edition. On page 29 it refers the silver\'s description to the silver color as described on page 237. That description calls for striping in the hackles, and the saddle description just says \"same as hackle.\" They also describe the silver duckwing color as found in O.E. Games and a blue silver duckwing color which is essentially a blue version of silver duckwing. They don\'t describe blue silver, but that would be just a blue version of silver. Note that the color is blue silver, not silver blue which is a completely different color.
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I read the description several times and I think the ABA description is the one we seem to talking about. It describes a silver head and distinct striping on the bottom hackles.
I assume everyone should bring the standards they own to the national for a fun discussion? I do not own the APA and have been working color-wise from the ABA standard.
Michael
Guest:
From the posts over time and based on my own research into the issue, there are several things that are apparent:
1. There are essentially three \"Silver\" patterns existing in the APA and ABA Standards - Silver Duckwing (clear silver hackles and saddles in males), Silver as in the APA Silver Leghorn (striped lower hackles and clear silver saddles) and then the Silver as generally listed by the ABA, with striping in hackles and saddles of males.
2. The Leghorn contacts I have communicated with favor the APA Silver description, with the clear saddles, since it is akin to the Light Brown Leghorn pattern. It is unlikely that the Leghorn folks will want to move toward the striped saddle and hackle version.
3. The actual Silver Ameraucanas, as well as the illustration in the APA Standard, lean toward striping in hackle and saddle, making it contrary to the referenced Silver Leghorn pattern. Who knows how that faux pas came about, but it is there.
4. The APA does have the Silver Dutch pattern \"custom described\" with striped hackles and saddles on Silver males, and so while it may be somewhat after the fact, the Ameraucanas (and perhaps the Araucanas, where this whole Standard snipe hunt started) could explore referencing to the Silver Dutch pattern. I don\'t see too much support from APA corners to craft yet another custom Silver pattern, and hopefully the Dutch Silver pattern is close enough for the purposes.
5. Given that the current situation creates a conflict between the ABA and APA color for Silver Ameraucanas, perhaps the adjustment to reference a striped hackle/saddle could be done for both the bantam and large Ameraucanas in the interest of consistency and maybe correcting an initial oversight, but I\'ll need to confer with the rest of our committee on that one. Since the current APA revisions are nearly through the pipeline of Standard process, it would seem better to try and take another approach to doing this if there is demonstrated consensus among Ameraucana breeders.
6. As Mike noted, it doesn\'t sound like any move toward Silver Duckwing is desirable for Ameraucanas. It is more a case of trying to tie up to an appropriate \"Silver\" pattern.
7. I think the Silver Leghorn folks will likely have to live with the ABA/APA conflict for a bit, since it is unlikely that the ABA would move quickly toward designating a \"Silver as in Leghorn\" pattern like the APA has for them.
8. Eight is my lucky number, so I\'ll stop here. You have all done an excellent job as Ameraucana breeders and fans in taking my initial observation and discussing the situation and options. Thanks!
Sam Brush
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--- Quote from: Sam Brush --- The APA does have the Silver Dutch pattern \"custom described\" with striped hackles and saddles on Silver males, and so while it may be somewhat after the fact, the Ameraucanas ... could explore referencing to the Silver Dutch pattern.
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Just to stick my \"new to the breed\" two cents in, that\'s what I would prefer, for what it\'s worth.
Blue Egg Acres:
--- Quote from: John ---
I would like to get some feedback on another thought. The silver Leghorn male (APA p. 133) and the silver Ameraucana male (APA p. 197) both show the hackle striping on the lower hackle feathers, as the Standard calls for but my silver bantam and LF Ameraucana males have it all over their hackles & saddles like my brown red do. Do the silver Leghorns really have it only on the lower half? If so it is achievable. . . .
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This is a very good question. Does anyone have the answer?
John, when you say your males have full striping, do you mean that it starts on the head, or just high on the hackles?
John:
From the head on down. I don\'t remember seeing any with it just on the lower part of the hackles and saddles like the APA protrait shows. That is why I brought it up. I don\'t know if there is some gene that restricts the striping from the top of the hackles and saddles or if those that may look that way are really duckwing that isn\'t pure or what. If other Ameraucana breeders have it I will have to optain birds from them to breed that pattern into my flock, but if it isn\'t out there I would have to maybe crossbred to bring it in and don\'t what to do that.
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