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Crele Ameraucana Project Color
« on: December 04, 2019, 05:39:26 PM »
I saw back in the mid 2000s that Michael Meunks was selling some of his project crele birds. Does anyone have Mr Meunks email to contact him? I tried an old email I found with hopes of hearing from him.

Does anyone here know what came of the project or how far along he developed them?

I have 5 crele oegb hens and 1 male. I have some bantam white and black ameraucanas also that I have raised with the crele, hoping they mate well in the spring. Wish I had a silver bantam male to work with but I'll be focusing on the black X crele mating this first year. And test mating the whites to determine their underlying color.

If anyone else has worked on this project please feel free to chime in. I'm not concerned with the absence of slate in the legs since this is a project and not concerned with their ameraucana status.

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2019, 08:08:33 PM »
Hey Spencer. That is quite the old project and I would be surprised if it was still viable. But Michael might give you some tips on his experiences vs expectations.  Sending you an email.  Drc
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Re: Crele Ameraucana Project Color
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 09:10:35 PM »
Thanks for the email, good direction.

I'll post here with any updates.

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2019, 09:37:42 PM »
You're welcome Spencer. It sounds like an interesting project.  Please do keep the forum posted.

If you plan to dabble with creating and crossing colors I would encourage you to acquire some good references on the subject. One of the old mainstays is Fred Jeffery's "Bantam Chickens" @1970.  It covers all of the major colors, how they are related, examples to breed them and often advice from well known breeders in the past for that variety.  I will try to bring a copy this weekend if you want to give it a look.  The ABA had them in print until just recently (@$30 in hardback) and I hope they are still planning to reprint for the hobby.  But there are still some used copies floating around too.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 07:58:17 AM »
Thanks for the info, I found a used copy on ebay, Im going to message the seller and try to get the price down a bit. I'll add it to my saved searches incase someone else lists one for cheaper. The current one is $60.

See ya at the show, no worries if you dont bring your copy. I know there will be a lot going on during the show.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2020, 01:44:02 PM »
Thanks again Don for letting me look over your Bantam Chickens by Fred Jeffrey, attached is an excerpt from his book pertaining to the crele colour.

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2020, 03:03:17 PM »
Also, thought Id add a few pics of this year's breeders to better document the progress over time. The first pic of blks and creles have been living together since April 2019, theyve mated with each other since maturity. The other blk cock and hens I picked up at nationals, I hope they mate well with the creles. I think the 2nd Male will help bring down the high tailset the oegb carry, but the pic is more drastic than how he typically carries it.  Also added a pic of the bantam Dominiques being used in my barred project. I plan to cross the 2 lines in future generations for diversity and to work on the crele barring.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2020, 03:23:22 PM »
I'm Glad your project is going well Spencer. The pictures are very helpful. I hope you raise a good group of these project for your next steps....
I also hope you have good luck raising a nice crop of the birds you picked up from the Knoxville National. I think you have some nice starts there. I hope you can figure out a way to get you and or some birds to the National in Norman OK later this year. Several of my pens have taken to eating eggs. Quite frustrating. So I have my work cut out for me too. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2020, 03:54:30 PM »
Thanks Don! With the newborn in March and moving/renovating in our new home, I won't be able to start hatching till April-June. I'll show a few at the Dixie classic show which was moved to January 2021.

If I hatch a few before April and if someone is driving thru TN on i40 I'd help with gas if they could show a few birds at nationals for me and I'd donate them to the silent auction. I've talked about nationals with Lisa and personally attending won't be an option.

I plan to hatch about 100 project eggs, and 50 whites & 50 blacks.. but time will tell especially if any issues occur.

What variety has started eating the eggs? I still plan on swapping some eggs if it works out on both of our ends.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2020, 05:28:44 PM »
Spencer, it's always the Good birds, the ones you hope to raise from that get into trouble with something. But I am working out some blind roll away nests to help with the issue. I will send you an email with more detail. And certainly, we can trade some eggs later in the season when they are more productive and we both have incubators working well.       Thanks!  And Please tell your family we say hello, too!   
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2020, 05:48:05 PM »
Sounds like a plan I was getting a lot of eggs a month ago, now I only have 1 laying regularly on entire property. Ready for it to warm up. I'll tell them you said hey, thanks I'll check my email. Hope you get your egg eaters worked out!